What's your take on depowered gods in Sigil?

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What's your take on depowered gods in Sigil?

This isn't a critical issue but I was curious on everyone's take on this.

I am slowly building up the number of Planescape related documents I own and I'm slowly going through them. I just started reading the Forgotten Realm planar adventure "For Duty & Deity".
The premise is that a god that was depowered in FR's Time of Troubles is in need of rescue. While it didn't come up in that module (at least not in my initial glance-through), I was curious if people felt that a god that was "depowered" would be allowed to enter Sigil or not?
The "depowered" individual is godlike in a lot of ways, but not godlike in others. Would a god "depowered" by a higher force still be a god but without access to many of his/her powers (in which case, I'd lean towards still being barred from Sigil)?
Or would the individual be a non-god and be allowed in? Zadara the titan MIGHT have been a god-like entity at one point and she currently lives in the city.

If a former god can enter the city this way, it seems like this might be some sort of loophole that could be exploited (get into the city in depowerd form, avoid the Lady - who would probably want you in the dead book, and perform some ritual to regain your power once in the city - if that were somehow possible).

Or is it all futile? I.e. the moment one shifts to being a true god, he/she is automatically expelled from Sigil

I don't have a take on this but it seemed to raise some curious possibilities, so I thought I'd mention it

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Re: What's your take on depowered gods in Sigil?

Mortals can become Gods, and they're clearly allowed in. Though there usually is more of a warning when they do become Gods. Godhood is a certain state of being, one that just happens to be incompatible with Lady of Pain. Having the experience of once being a God, doesn't mean that one is of that state of being.

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Re: What's your take on depowered gods in Sigil?

I believe this actually happened in the Forgotten Realms novel Finder's Bane. The god Finder Wyvernspur temporarily gave up his divinity in order to enter Sigil. As I recall, it was painful for him to exist there even then.

This is part of the explanation for how Vecna entered Sigil. He entered while his divinity was still in flux, neither demigod nor greater deity nor mortal.

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Re: What's your take on depowered gods in Sigil?

Well, don't forget that Vecna was dead, so he probably didn't suffer from the level of nasty sensations that a living being like Finder would have.

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Re: What's your take on depowered gods in Sigil?

One supposes that there is some aspect of divinity that is either offensive to the Lady, or rejected by Sigil's place atop the Spire, or some other particular component of being a god that denies you the ability to exist in Sigil. Proxy, advanced Believer of the Source, solar deva, no problem. Minor hero-deity with a worshiper base consisting of six descendants? Begone.

Ever wonder what it is about gods that the Lady objects to so vociferously? Or is it just turf defense, and she knows she can rid herself of any lesser opponent, but has to put up a wall against divine would-be interlopers?

(Know what would be a right popcorn-popper to watch? Loviatar making a move on the place. I'd pay to see that. From a long, long way away.)

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Jem wrote:
One supposes that there is some aspect of divinity that is either offensive to the Lady, or rejected by Sigil's place atop the Spire, or some other particular component of being a god that denies you the ability to exist in Sigil. Proxy, advanced Believer of the Source, solar deva, no problem. Minor hero-deity with a worshiper base consisting of six descendants? Begone.

Ever wonder what it is about gods that the Lady objects to so vociferously? Or is it just turf defense, and she knows she can rid herself of any lesser opponent, but has to put up a wall against divine would-be interlopers?

(Know what would be a right popcorn-popper to watch? Loviatar making a move on the place. I'd pay to see that. From a long, long way away.)

Well, if you accept Die Vecna Die, it's because a divine being in Sigil has the power to potentially reshape all of existence to their whims, rearrange the cosmos, etc. etc. Sigil serves as some sort of fulcrum of the multiverse according to that module. And so the Lady keeps them out in order to keep the multiverse from falling apart.

But of course, that would require accepting Die Vecna Die as canon. Sticking out tongue

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ripvanwormer wrote:
I believe this actually happened in the Forgotten Realms novel Finder's Bane. The god Finder Wyvernspur temporarily gave up his divinity in order to enter Sigil. As I recall, it was painful for him to exist there even then.

Indeed. After he'd been in Sigil for a little while he mentions that he could feel something pressing in on him. It's as if the Lady was saying "I see what you did there."

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