So, if used every other round, the DC would not increase? I like the idea of the feat, especially since I'm working on some orator characters; I just want to get a handle on any possible loopholes of the feat.
Vocalization [General]
Sun, 2005-02-13 12:54
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Vocalization [General]
Sun, 2005-02-13 16:35
#3
Vocalization [General]
You should explain what the interval is. "Consecutive" doesn't quite cut it. Does the DC increase by 2 forever each and every time you use this feat?
And what is being rolled to hit those DC's?
Sun, 2005-02-13 17:08
#4
Vocalization [General]
You should explain what the interval is. "Consecutive" doesn't quite cut it. Does the DC increase by 2 forever each and every time you use this feat?
And what is being rolled to hit those DC's?
Depends on what skill you're using, as evident in the line:
"This skill's use depends on what effect is being attempted."
Sun, 2005-02-13 20:58
#5
Vocalization [General]
You should explain what the interval is. "Consecutive" doesn't quite cut it. Does the DC increase by 2 forever each and every time you use this feat?
And what is being rolled to hit those DC's?
Depends on what skill you're using, as evident in the line:
"This skill's use depends on what effect is being attempted."
Yes, it says that you roll different things depending on what you're trying to do, but it never says what those things are. Should we assume that you make a Diplomacy check 20 to double the range at which you make Diplomacy checks for 10 minutes?
What effect does whispering have on verbal spell components?
Sun, 2005-02-13 22:54
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Vocalization [General]
That would depend on what kind of speech you're trying to make.
Mon, 2005-02-14 00:42
#7
Vocalization [General]
Xan- that doesnt answer the DC question, nor the verbal spell components question.
The DC increase, three possible scenarios here:
1. PC uses the feat, waits a round between to let the DC reset, and then uses the feat again without suffering the +2 DC penalty.
2. The PC uses the feat, and then the next day uses it again, the DC is now +2. Next week, he tries again at a DC +4 total.
3. The PC uses the feat, suffering +2 to the DC each time it's used that same day, the next day the DC resets.
Other possibilities abound as well.Thus please define the way you intend consecutive use to raise DC. The wording leaves it as a question that someone could play around with as a loophole.
If the answer to this is still depends on the skill, then I'd say you haven't exactly thought this out and you really *should* consider posting guidelines for what category of skills does what with DC.
Mon, 2005-02-14 10:18
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Vocalization [General]
(DM discretion for what constitutes "consecutive" in a particular situation.)
Mon, 2005-02-14 11:11
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Vocalization [General]
What if it's being used for Bardic Music? Many Bardic Music abitities do not require a roll of any type; they just automatically happen after taking a standard action.
Wed, 2005-02-16 16:21
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Vocalization [General]
Xan- that doesnt answer the DC question, nor the verbal spell components question.
Why would you need to project your voice for casting a spell? There are only a few items I've come across that would truly apply to this feat: Bluff, Diplomacy, Intimidate, and Perform skills. All of which are Charisma-based skills.
Wed, 2005-02-16 19:16
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Vocalization [General]
There are only a few items I've come across that would truly apply to this feat: Bluff, Diplomacy, Intimidate, and Perform skills. All of which are Charisma-based skills.
As I said before, what about Bardic Music?
Fri, 2005-03-04 13:44
#12
Vocalization [General]
There are only a few items I've come across that would truly apply to this feat: Bluff, Diplomacy, Intimidate, and Perform skills. All of which are Charisma-based skills.
As I said before, what about Bardic Music?
You do realize that Bardic Music requires ranks in Perform, right?
Fri, 2005-03-04 16:18
#13
Vocalization [General]
You do realize that Bardic Music requires ranks in Perform, right?
Yes, I am quite aware of that since I'm currently playing a bard. It appears, however it seems that you don't realize that requireing ranks in a skill, and requireing a skill roll are two different things.
As long as a bard meets all requirements for a Bardic Music ability, the bard may choose to use the ability. This requires no roll, it just happens (exceptions are countersong, fascinate, suggestion, and mass suggestion).
How do you increase the DC of a roll that dosen't exist?
I don't see any such loophole. Consecutive means one use after another. Resting one round between 10 minute intervals won't do much of anything to save your voice from harm.
Also, there's a glaring error, damn I hate it when I catch them after the fact....lol
"This skill used depends on what affect is being attempted." Should read:
"This skill's use depends on what effect is being attempted."