Using Slaadi in encounters

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Using Slaadi in encounters

I'm wondering how others use slaadi in their encounters and campaigns. I'm interested in using them in situations other than combat. Mostly wondering how to portray them and what motivates them. From what I've read, the books keep comparing them to a Barbarian horde that is focused on proving who's stronger and will just automatically attack PCs.

Frankly I don't find that very chaotic, especially when I consider that a Tanar'ri will not just automatically attack. I love reading the Xanxost quotes, and wish there were more unique and creative Slaad personalities like his (its?). So any thoughts?

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Using Slaadi in encounters

Then play them like Xanxost. That's what I do.

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I imagine a slaadi merchant being a lot like the "moody butcher" in the Monte Python sketch that is alternately polite and rude to the customer.

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lol. great sketch. Hadn't seen that one before.

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That's good for low level slaadi, but what about the black and the white ones?

What kind of planes could create theese powerful chaotic outsiders? After all, They are veeeery intelligent.

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I'd say that they're a result of random chance (not like the MM says) from the contamination of the Soup with the essence of good or evil.

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It's the usual problem of depicting pure chaos. You can go for complete randomness, but that often comes at the price of intelligence. It's hard, though I dare say not impossible, to be random intelligently. I would suggest having the chaotic creature in question take actions that help progress its cause without following any logical pattern in relation to other actions.

One thing I've considered, though, is adding chaos theory to the mix. Thus, those seemingly random actions might cause reactions that combine in ways unexpected by anyone but other chaotic beings, who act seemingly randomly and without purpose until all their actions weave together to do exactly what they intended. Does that make sense?

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Interesting approach and I daresay it would be pretty bizarre that the power behind the scenes manipulating everyone turned out to be a High caste Slaad. Be tough to pull it off and keep the right chaotic feel of course.

I always disliked that the supposed strongest Slaadi, the Death Slaad were mixtures of chaos and evil rather than pure 100% unadulterated chaotic. hm.... makes me consider setting up a campaign where the Spawning Stone has been slightly corrupted by Evil which is the cause for the Death Slaad. And the heroes have to uncorrupt the stone. While figuring out who is responsible and how to undo it.

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It doesn't necessarily have to be a high-caste Slaad using chaos theory to his advantage. For example, a Red Slaad facing off against a group of would-be heroes might take a round off to break a nearby door, then a few rounds later it might pause to throw the hooked hammer that it just disarmed from the group's gnomish priest high into the air, getting it stuck in the rafters, and finally it would make erratic movements around the area until it positions the group's fighter onto a part of the broken door. All of these actions seem random on their own, but when the slaad launches into an elegant grand jeté onto another part of the door and uses it as a lever to launch its opponent high into the air and get his chainmail caught on the hook of the hammer, all the randomness suddenly gains a purpose. The DM could roll some sort of luck check or develop a new set of rules for chaotic combinations, but it could also be done 'behind the scenes'. Xaositects could also have such powers, though to a lesser extent. I'm not sure how to judge the power of such abilities, though.

Also, Shadowbite, I completely agree with your criticism of Death Slaad alignment, and I like your solution. Slaadi's lack of true chaos and all too often evil tendencies can easily be explained away as a result of the Spawning Stone, but the exact nature of said stone is an adventure in itself. Could the Slaadi lords have been tricked by some Obyrith ruler (or even a Baern) in the ancient past, or are they simply performing a millenia long chaotic combination that will soon come to fruition to the horror of all the other races of the multiverse?

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When I run them, I usually think of the Slaadi as subject to the whim of the moment. Total randomness is, in a way, predictable. Giving in to the whims of the moment is not.

A Slaad might decide to be a mercenary, and becomes one, a good one, for many years. Then one day he decides to betray his comrades and sell out to the other side. Why? He likes them more.

A horde of Slaadi might raze a villege to the ground, because they want to have their apple orchards.

A Slaad is perfectly capable of seeing a project through, beginning to end, complete with plans. Usually, they just don't WANT to.

Think of the entire Slaad race as having a severe case of Bipolar Disorder, one with extreme and sudden mood swings, and you get the idea of how much chaos whim brings.

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