Yeah, in FR he's called out as Azuth, but in a recent Wizards article about Beleth the witch count of Glasya, the god is unnamed, merely refered to as "He Who Was" and similar epitaphs. I guess in a non-FR campaign, it could be any god you want...?
The unnamed god slain by Asmodeus
Wed, 2008-09-03 20:00
#1
The unnamed god slain by Asmodeus
Thu, 2008-09-04 16:13
#3
Oh, so he killed TWO, then?
Oh, so he killed TWO, then? - About time, Asmodeus is supposed to be a serious bad-a**, but up til now he's just sat on his red rump in Nessus. Glad to see they're finally DOING something with him, the way they did with Orcus a few years back (when he killed a bunch of gods and stuff with the Last Word). The gods should FEAR Asmodeus...
Thu, 2008-09-04 17:11
#4
I don't think the PoL
I don't think the PoL setting and Faerun are supposed to be interconnected, storywise. They changed Faerun to be a carbon copy of PoL, but the little details are different. In PoL, Asmodeus killed He Who Was, in Faerun, he ate Azuth.
Correct me if I'm wrong, though. >_>
Fri, 2008-09-05 13:22
#5
I don't like what they've
I don't like what they've done to Asmodeus, removes some of the mystery
Fri, 2008-09-05 13:49
#6
True... of course, who's to
True... of course, who's to say that everything we THINK we know about 4E Asmodeus is true? Maybe he's just running a huge peel... and I'm not really into FR, so keeping the details separate is o.k. by me... or having it a one-way street, where stuff in the new Manual of the Planes can apply to Faerun if so desired, but Forgotten Realms stuff does not automatically apply to other campaigns... at least the new Campaign book is easy to read, even if they changed a lot of stuff. The 3E book was a bear! I could care less who reigned in the Year of Soiled Pants, thank you very much...
Sat, 2008-09-06 13:44
#7
the idea that killing Azuth
the idea that killing Azuth gave Asmo the power to move the Abyss seems ridiculous to me. Asmo, imo, was more interesting as PS's mysterious Dark Lord of Nessus.
Sun, 2008-09-07 07:05
#8
Yeah. In Planes of Law the
Yeah. In Planes of Law the ruler of Nessus is even totally unknown. And so is our friend Bel, which is a bit strange since the guy seems to get involved with cutters from outside ob baator quite often, compred to his fellows. I guess it was never supposed that anyone should know more of the lords of the nine than perhaps the names and some of their past schemes.
Sun, 2008-09-07 10:02
#9
Planes of Law mentions Bel
Planes of Law mentions Bel by name (he was also mentioned in the PSMC1), but not as the Lord of the First. He was the leader of the unnamed Lord of the First's armies and clearly not the same person. He was retconned as the Lord of the First in Dragon #223 in an article by Colin McComb, who also wrote the Baator book in Planes of Law (only a little while before). It was explained there that the unnamed lord mentioned in Planes of Law was actually Bel's unnamed predecessor (female, but not Tiamat), imprisoned by Bel about a thousand years ago. Bel's predecessor was named Zariel in Guide to Hell several years later. So Bel was named in Planes of Law, but Zariel wasn't.
The default 4th edition backstory has four dead gods that I've counted so far: the one Asmodeus killed, the unnamed creator of humanity (killed by Zehir in one myth), Gorellik (the gnollish god killed by Yeenoghu), and Io (killed by a primordial, split into Bahamut and Tiamat).
In a 4e campaign that uses the core world ("The World") and Toril in the same multiverse, yes, I'd assume Asmodeus killed both Azuth and He Who Was. Azuth was only killed a hundred years ago, while He Who Was was murdered before the baatezu settled in Baator, eons ago.
Sun, 2008-09-07 16:43
#10
Calmar wrote:
Yeah. In
Yeah. In Planes of Law the ruler of Nessus is even totally unknown.
While true, to be fair, that's a retcon from 1e, where Asmodeus was already solidly known as the ruler of the devils as far back as the original Monster Manual, in a manner similar to Orcus vanishing from any mention in a Planescape product until Dead Gods.
Sun, 2008-09-07 18:49
#11
The fundamental 2ed
The fundamental 2ed Planescape source on the Pits left me as a clueless about the basic lore of Baator... 
Factol's Manifesto and Well of Worlds do not treat Avernus as such a great secret...
In the second edition there weren't as much deicides as there seem to be in the newer ones, were they?
Sun, 2008-09-07 19:14
#12
Calmar wrote:
In the
In the second edition there weren't as much deicides as there seem to be in the newer ones, were they?
Oh, there certainly were. The entire pantheon of Cerilia (Birthright), a good number from Toril (Moander, Bhaal, the first (second?) Mystra, Bane, and I think I'm forgetting one or two others from the Time of Troubles), Aoskar, and at least three gods killed by Orcus in Dead Gods (Maanzecorian, an unnamed deity from a random Prime world, and an Aztec deity whose name escapes me). Four if you count Primus.
Mon, 2008-09-08 09:33
#13
As far as Planescape canon
As far as Planescape canon goes only Aoskar and Enki, and the Gods killed by Orcus count.
And the way I see it, Fiendish Codex 2 had a lot to do with Asmodeus' 4e origin. Just change 'demons and forces of chaos' to 'Primordials' and it's almost the same thing.
Mon, 2008-09-08 10:12
#14
Kobold Avenger wrote:
As
As far as Planescape canon goes only Aoskar and Enki, and the Gods killed by Orcus count.
That's definitely not true, since the Birthright pantheon was listed in On Hallowed Ground's list of dead gods, as were the FR deities I mentioned as well as Amaunator, who although dead wasn't actually a victim of deicide. Although I did forget about Enki, yes.
Although if you mean they happened outside Planescape events even though they still happened as far as people in a Planescape setting are concerned, technically Calmar just asked about deicide in 2e, not deicide in Planescape in 2e. 
I guess in a non-FR 4ed campaign it's the one Asmodeus killed in the first place, before being banished to baator.
"La la la, I'm a girl, I'm a pretty little girl!"
--Bel the Pit Fiend, Lord of the First (in a quiet hour of privacy)