The Nameless One Who-Must-Not-Be-Named

True, though there's the tiny issue that he's not a Githzerai.

Also, Zerthimon didn't seem to have committed the kind of implied crimes the Nameless One was responsible for.

No one else was either, at that time. Githyanki and Githzerai diverged from common roots as a result of his actions. Also, by the time of PS:T, the Nameless One's been so altered you can't tell what he was origenally (any racial features have been oblitterated by his scares, and his ability scores change in responce to the path he chooses).

Also, no matter what he intended, his legacy was a never-ending, three way war between his followers, Gith's children, and the Illithids. And if he was Zerthimon, who knows what he was driven to do after Two Skies. Guilt and desperation might have lead him to do awful things.

Actually, I think that the implication was that the guy did in fact more or less cobble together some Zerthimon sounding theology. Thus, the entire Circlet's enlightenment was just what you read into it.

Besides "Smart Nameless One" isn't the original and doesn't know who he was.

Wasn't the 'good' NO at the end the original? It's been a few years but I thought I remembered him saying that.

Your name is the Golden Ball.

I played it again just this year.

But the nameless incarnation that wrote the unbroken circle was the practical incarnation. A pragmatic and utterly souless individual who used the item in question so as to bind Dak'kon to his will and thus giving him full control over his karach. As the weapon could never be removed from his person. A weapon powerful enough to tear planes apart. Or so the pratical incarnations has discovered.

The question I'm wondering is what is changed in an unbroken circle held by another Githzerai or if there never really was such a thing in the first place and the practical incarnation, truly lives up to his reputation as an evil genious.

The good incarnation was the original incarnation and so is therefore the one responsible for the "terrible atrocity" an atrocity that caused the nameless one to in fact change his nature and want to live long enough to rectify his mistake.

Now call me a clueless but Zerthimons descision didn't really seem all that atrocious.

Unfortunatly the only time the good incarnation is mentioned outside of actually speaking to him, is when you learn the truth of morte.

Perhaps the good incarnations reasons to shove morte back into the pillar as he believed it to be the right thing to do, May shed some light on what damned him.

Also you have to take into account that it was something terrible. But that doesn't neccessarily mean it was the most terrible thing that anyone has ever done. It could just have very well have been that it was enough to damn him and in his foolish arrogance believed that he wasn't capable of rectifieing it. So he took a trip to probably the worst place a person could probably go if he was going to try and do some good. He went to see a night hag.

One of the final sensations in the public sensory stones involves a man who Ignores his tugging morality for his duty in the shadow of a legion whos goal is to annhilate an entire people. If you ask me this could very well be it. But then again, is it enough to change a nature of a man?

Thats the real question the game poses. I am totally gonna play it again for the millionth time now. First I'm gonna try and finish it on the hardest difficulty like I did with the Baldurs Gate series. Then I'm gonna try and finish it solo, noone but the immortal himself. I'll never get tired of that game. Never.

That's Da'akon's suspicion. Yet, the Nameless One also says that Zerthimon was actually in his right mind if you have a REALLLLLLLY high Wisdom score and proves it with the Circlet. The problem is that Da'akon doesn't know anything about Zerthimon but what knows from the circlet and that was made up by...well, the Nameless One.

That was a different life since it was after the Practical Incarnation had rescued Morte and the Good life was the original.

See, I took that, and the comments surrounding it, to suggest that TNO had been Zerthimon and when he recreated the circle he was unknowlingly drawing on his own memories and personality.

I didn't say he did it consciously ... he wrote the thing believing he'd made it up ... but there is a comment in the game that leads you to believe there was more to it - thus my belief that while he thought he was making it up, in truth he was not.

And even the pc still gets flashes of memory from his past lives, so there is no reason to assume the pragmatic version might not have unknowingly drawn inspiration from his original experiences.

And I doubt Da'kon knew Zerthimon the person, as the historical figure was long dead before game's timeline.