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"The gods are frauds, undeserving of mortal worship."

When the Athar first came into being, the above statement was very radical. Of all of Sigil's factions, only the Lost declared open hostility to the most openly powerful group of bloods in the Multiverse. Yet no faction has seen the same level of success that the Athar have experienced in spreading its philosophy. The faction is still coming to grips with the meaning of its fortunes, and what course they suggest the Athar to take.

On the Outer Planes, belief changes reality, but as the Athar are discovering, reality changes belief.

Philosophy: The gods are all frauds. True divinity is beyond mortal knowing.
Nicknames: the Defiers, the Lost
Headquarters: Foundation, the Spire
Major Races: Bariaur, chaond, half-elves, humans, tulandura, zenythri
Favored Classes: Tough Hero, Smart Hero, Dedicated Hero
Faction Prestige Classes: WiP
Factol: WiP
Prominent Members: WiP
Alignment: Any
Symbol: Profile of the Spire crowned by a black torus.

Philosophy: Eh, how many ways can I spill it to you berk? The god's pulled a fast one on the cosmos. Okay, so it might not be quite like it was back in the day. Mabye once I had a drink, I'll tell you what you want to hear.

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The Atheists? Laughing out loud

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aren't they the ones who just think that those worshiped as gods really are not and are just powerfull mortals?

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The Atheists? Laughing out loud

More like agnostics.

I'm actually doing their History first, since they have an important roll in the Pantheon War and the subsequent theological changes in the Multivesrse.

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'Daylen' wrote:
aren't they the ones who just think that those worshiped as gods really are not and are just powerfull mortals?

Basically, yes.

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History, pt 1:
The Pantheon War marked a turning point in the history of the Lost. When Factol Hennar was given a written account of what transpired at the Divine Gathering which preceded the War, he immediately recognized that it was the key to the entire conflict. Hennar decided that to keep the journal a secret, even from other Defiers. He recognized that the best interest of his faction wasn't so much stopping the War (as the rank-and-file were focusing on) as permanently discrediting the powers that claimed divine status. Thus, Hennar had the journal sealed in a secret room inside the Faction's Meeting Hall, which sat adjacent to the base of the Spire. The location of this secret journal was passed from Factol to Factol, each waiting for the right moment to reveal to the Multiverse what the Pantheon War was really about.

The rank-and-file Lost, on the other hand, were actively engaged in sabotaging the war for both sides. The factotums were aware that the ferocity of the conflict was being powered by Prime worshippers who had been whipped into a spiritual frenzy. If the Athar could somehow convince these Primes to stop and think about what the war was really about, then the Powers would no longer be able to sustain the fighting. To this end, the Athar began sending members to the Primes to spread their philosophy against a background of mindless destruction. As the war continued, though, the potency of magic drained from the Multiverse, trapping many of these "Defier Missionaries" on the Prime they were sent to. Cut off from their bretheren, these Athar nevertheless found an important niche on prime sphere that had been devestated by the gods' war.

The moment of truth came in the seventh century of the War, following the Battle of Belierin. The sheer destructiveness of that battle prompted the Planar Lords of Elysium, known as the Heralds of Holiness, to personally commit to ending the conflict. One of the Heralds-Mikhail, the Prince of Angels-went to the Spire to find clues to the War's beginnings. When he reached the town of Foundation, he suspected that the Lost would have what he was looking for. The Factol he met with, Desmond Greer, intuited what The Archangel was looking for, and drove a hard bargain. Greer said that he would only reveal the origins of the conflict if the Heralds renounced any and all claims to divinity and mortal worship. Mikhail departed to consult the other Heralds. The next day, he returned. Factol Greer was shocked to hear that the Heralds of Holiness had agreed to his price.

Greer travelled to Elysium with Mikhail, where he disclosed the contents of the journal his faction was hiding for centuries. By some unknown means, the Heralds were able to verify the truth of the often-times sordid chronicles, and swiftly distributed it across creation. The embaressing revelations shattered the already beleageured War Effort on both sides. Seeing the Alliance and Triumvirate falter, the Planar Lords of every moral-ethical stripe ruthlessly and decicively brought the warring parties to heel. In less than a quarter-century after Factol Greer's meeting with Mikhail, the Pantheon War was over*.

To Be Continued

*Planar Historians point to 4 events which happened very close in time to each other as marking the end of the Pantheon War. First, the Virtues of Celestia created the Yetsirah Tribunal to hold the Dwarf and Egyptian pantheons accountable for the Green Fields Massacre. Second, the Battle of Mount Olympus ended with Zeus being cast into Gehenna for his "Crimes against Creation." Third, Set revealed his betrayal of the Alliance by swearing fealty to Asmodeus. Finally, the Yugoloths got back at Hades for peeling them throughout the war-his head was impaled on a pike outside of Khin-Oin, where it can still be found to this day.

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'Ulden Throatbane' wrote:
the Planar Lords of Elysium, known as the Heralds of Holiness, to personally commit to ending the conflict. One of the Heralds of Holiness-Mikhail, the Prince of Angels-went to the Spire to find clues to the War's beginnings.

Did something happen to Talisid and his Companions? And why would there be a "Prince of Angels"? That doesn't entirely sound like any kind of guardinal to me.

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I decided to incorperate many aspects of Dicefreaks' cosmology into the history of the Pantheon War (and, by extention, the rest of Urban Planescape). The full details of this merger, as well as my reasoning behind it, will be left for a later posting. Right now, I'll explain what this means for Elysium:

Talisid and his Companions are not Cosmic Entities. Instead they are the recognized leaders of the Guardinal race and are the most powerful individuals amongst their kind. As such, however, they still stand a few orders of magnitude beneath Deities and Cosmic Entities. On the Outer Planes, Cosmic Entities fall into 3 basic levels (lowest to highest): Planar Ego, Planar Elite, and Planar Lord. The Planar Lords that reside on Elysium are also called the Heralds of Holiness. This group came into existence in the early days of the Multiverse, and their most common forms are much closer to that of Aasimon than Guardinals.

One of the Heralds of Holiness is Mikhail (The Archangel, Herald of Battle, Prince of Angels, the Penetrating Light). He is the most pro-active of the Heralds, though aeons of existence have given him the patience to see through plans that would impress a Baern. Like the majority of Cosmic Entities, Mikhail decided to let the Pantheon War play out. The Battle of Belierin was the tipping point that prompted him to act. As for Talisid, he was put in the dead book early in the war for "getting in the way".

Of course, this means I need to revise my entries for modern Elysium Sticking out tongue

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So, the cosmic entities for Elysium are, in fact, not guardinals at all? That would be roughly analagous to Demogorgon not being tanar'ri.

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yea that doesnt make much sense. I prefer the stuff wizards did put out in the new planar handbook to that screed. I'd rather follow the wizards stuff and fill in the huge gaps than follow people who make errors of this sort.

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Right now it's 11:30pm in Chicago. I have to work tomorrow, and I'm way too tired to rationally explain myself. Later on, I will; for now, all I'm giving is 3 bullet points:

-The greatest and most powerful universal incarnations of unbiased Good on the planes are not furries. Why? Because it makes no sense. What animal form is appropriate for a Joy-and-Hapiness Cosmic Entity, the Universal Incarnation of these two concepts? A monkey?

-Show some sodding respect for the creative process, Daylan. People are contributing time and effort to this project-time that could be used elsewhere. For example, I could be sleeping, but instead I'm replying to a personal attack.

-...two bullet points.

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[modhat]It's late here too, and regardless of opinion one way or the other, I'm pretty sure it's impossible to make everyone happy everywhere. Here's to hoping that everyone was simply not quite paying attention to their tone when they posted, and all can be worked out once we get a good night's rest.[/modhat]

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And may I meekly point out, I happen to like guardianals m'self and don't really care if that makes me sound like a furry or not? And would like to see the implied Progenetor species for the guardinals brought in eventually - I'm seriously unfamilar with the Dicefreaks stuff so I don't know how closely it fits with the usual PS stuff.

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*bows respectfully* The mod intervention is greatly appreciated, C. This thread was going in a bad direction, and I'll admit I wasn't helping the matter.

I just started an article on Cosmic Entities from a Planescape perspective, btw (rather than the "tell-all" perspective presented by Dicefreaks). For now, let's stay focused on the Athar's place in Urban Planescape.

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Part two of the not-so-brief history:

Meanwhile, the marooned Athar missionaries had adapted to their new homes on the Prime Material Plane. Thanks to their time living at the base of the Spire, they were more prepared than others to coping with the loss of magical energy throughout existence. In the final years of the war, fighting on the Primes was brought to a halt by those that had enough of the fighting. In some cases, this was exemplars from the Outer Planes. Other times, the Over-Power of a Prime Sphere banished the gods. On still other worlds, the fighting was halted by Prime Bloods (directly or indirectly motivated by the Lost). In each case, the Athar saw an opportunity to make their move. They began to aggresively denounce the deities in towns and cities on the war-afflicted Primes. What they offered in their place differed from Prime to Prime, but they all fit with the Defier's conception of what God really should be. The gabit succeeded, and Monotheism blossomed on the Prime Material Plane.

Back in the Outer Planes, the Athar returned to Sigil following the lifting of The Lady's edict. When they returned, the temple to Hades that had been built over the Shattered Temple had been turned into a brothel by Shemeska the Marauder. For the Lost, it was as good a use for the structure as any. What bothered them more was the rising influence of gods that either sat out the war or successfully played both sides of the conflict. These included members of the Chinese Pantheon, Indian Pantheon, and Baltic-Slavic Pantheon (now known as the Russian Pantheon). The Athar feared that the Multiverse might be missing the real lesson of the War.

To counter this threat, they began to collect artifacts of the war and testimonies from veterans and bystandards. One of the most ambitious projects was a prolonged exhibition to Acheron's second layer, where countless weapons of the Pantheon War (almost all non-functional) were recovered. When Sigil's new government began to relocate to the Clerk's Ward, the Athar purchased the Courthouse and transformed it into a museum to display their collection. While it was the target of multiple protests by various temples, the Pantheon War Museum was a hit with Cagers and visitors from across the Planes. Many of the most notable piece of artwork produced in the Age of Pain are on permanent display at the museum. Of course, the Athar used the museum to promote their view points, but from their perspective, the gods had done the promoting for them.

It was the beginning of the Revelationary Era, though, that showed to the faction the true extent of its success. As the first factories were opened in the Lower Ward, a new group of primes was beginning to migrate to the City of Doors. These primes sneered at the "idolatry" of the local temples, believed in a God inherently different from what most Planars worshipped, and for some reason recognized the Athar's symbol.

TBC

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yea that doesnt make much sense. I prefer the stuff wizards did put out in the new planar handbook to that screed. I'd rather follow the wizards stuff and fill in the huge gaps than follow people who make errors of this sort.

Don't insult him. Anything is better than the crap the WotC releases. Ulden happens to write pretty good material I don't really want him to quit over technicalities

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-The greatest and most powerful universal incarnations of unbiased Good on the planes are not furries. Why? Because it makes no sense. What animal form is appropriate for a Joy-and-Hapiness Cosmic Entity, the Universal Incarnation of these two concepts? A monkey?

Let's try not to use the word "furry". I buy sneakers, despite the fact people out there have a shoe fetish. I happen to like anthropomorphic animals, it reminds me of "wind in the willows" when I was a kid. It conjures up an image appropriate to Elysium. I don't want them to go away just because some people think it's dirty.

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Now that that's out of the way, this history makes a lot of sense. Good job. The only real issue is how divine spellcasting is handled.

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Since I'd rather not go back to my sleep-deprived outbursts, I'll just focus on the last part of your post:

I assume your asking about where monotheists who are also divine spellcasters get their spells. Believe it or not, this issue is addressed in the 3.0/3.5 Player's Handbook-a Cleric (or Paladin) had the option of following a general moral outlook (such as good, evil, etc.) instead of a particular deity. Even before this, the Athar were able to utilize divine spellcasting by drawing on what they called "The Great Unknown". According to the Athar, the gods were simply acting as a middle-man between wherever divine magic came from and the priests that worshipped them. The Athar contended that the priests were getting a bum deal, and those that wanted to use divine magic only needed their own sense of personal faith to draw on it.

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*nodnod* Yep. The Great Unknown was a wonderful concept for the Athar - esp as it really helped some of them with their belief that the powers were merely frauds. The Athar weren't the only ones with simular aspects as I recall - the Ciphers did somethign simular. Did the Godsmen as well?

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I assume your asking about where monotheists who are also divine spellcasters get their spells.

Uh... actually, no. What I mean is how divine magic will work in UPS. Will gods be able to grant spells and will it be nerfed like arcane magic? What about the primes, if they're cut off from a few worlds, do they still get a benefit from isolated worshippers?

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Oh, how it works. Got it.

1: Deities as defined normally (ie not the Lost's definition) will still be able to grant spells. The tradeoffs between getting divine spells directly or from a Power will be figured out at a later point.

2: Whatever the final changes to arcane magic will be will also apply to divine magic

3: If a god has worshippers on a Prime Material Sphere they've been barred from, they can continue to draw sustenance from their belief. Depending on the circumstances of a given Prime world, their worship might be able to survive. But the god no longer has any input on what his priests and lay worshippers are doing, even if the priests can still cast divine spells. This can be a huge problem, since it often threatens to drag the god into another Plane. The only way to protect against this is to stop drawing sustenance from that group.

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Oh, how it works. Got it.

Thanks.

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Since I'd rather not go back to my sleep-deprived outbursts, I'll just focus on the last part of your post:

You might've been a bit too tired to notice, but I was actually defending you there.

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Just a quick nod to say very nice work Ulden Throatbane

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'Kal' wrote:
Just a quick nod to say very nice work Ulden Throatbane

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Thanks Kal

I've got a GMAT to prepare for, so I won't have much time in the next two weeks to wrap up this history.

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Part 3 of not-so-brief history:

While the spread of monotheism on the Prime was a major success for the Athar, their migration to Sigil presented the faction with a new challenge. The monos were quick to loudly express their disapproval of not just the worship of 'normal gods', but also the beliefs of fellow monos from different prime spheres. They either denied that Powers existed (which even the Defiers knew to be screed) or equated them to fiends (also screed). The religious zealotry of the monos led to several riots in the Cage. Furthermore, the role the Athar had in promoting monoheism was revealed by the Illuminating Light. As Sigil simmered, other power-players in the city began to pressure the Lost to bring the monos under some semblence of control.

The Athar high-ups were at first surprised by the boldness the monos displayed in confronting the Powers. Through further observation, however, they were able to conclude that their fanaticism was simply a consequence of being Clueless. Thus, getting the monos to pike the zealotry was to wise them up on how the Great Wheel really worked. The Lost wanted to take this meassure one step further, however. From their perspective, the beliefs held by different monotheistic faiths showed several remarkable similarities. The monos weren't recognizing them; instead, they kept squabbling over small differences. The Athar wanted to change this behavior-if the monos were to recognize their similarities, especially in comparison to the worshippers of false gods, they would be better able to work in unision-not to mention provide the Defiers with a potent ally.

While a small minority of Lost were distrustful of religions in general, the faction decided to go ahead with a comprehensive plan to facilitate the monos in consolidating their faiths into larger entities. Assisting the Athar was the fact that the monos trusted the faction. They were the only group in Sigil that seemed to be sympathetic to their beliefs, and their religious traditions invariably included references to the faction when each faith was founded. At the Athar's advise, the adherents of different monotheistic traditions began to meet in order to strike common ground. The end result, following a century of conventions and consolidation, was the foundation of three trans-faiths that accomodated almost every monotheistic belief. This process recieved considerable support and facilitation by the Athar.

Concern is growing within the faction about how far they should get involved with these new trans-faiths. The biggest complaint is that supporting these umbrella organization undermined the main appeal of the faction: promoting the idea that faith is not dependent on any hierarchies. From the standpoint of many Defiers, the claim that a religion was the source of Truth is fraudulent whether said religion is dedicated to a specific Power or isn't. Although this viewpoint is steadily gaining support amongst the faction's leaders, it's not clear the Lost can extract itself from the philisophical knot it tied itself in. Not only do the Athar have a close relationship with all three trans-faiths, but many organizations are turning to the Athar to mediate difficulties between the organization and one of the trans-faiths.

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