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With Rhys' permission, I thought that we should probably restrict the number of Githyanki and Githzerai secret societies to 9 because we don't want to get TOO large in this book.

Here's the ones that need detailed I can tell.

Duthka'gith: The Half-Dragons and Tiamat worshipers of the Gith. They're mostly Dragon Riders and have a lot of Prestige classes out of the Draconomicron. They're also something like societal outcasts from the Gith and I think it'd be cool if they've started seizing Githyanki Egg Farms to raise them into their faction.

Thus making them outlaws amongst Gith kind.

I imagine these Githyanki actually don't live on the Astral Plane but maintain their fortress on the Nine Hells.

The Kai'tarn'Gith: Roughly translated "The Warlords of the Gith." The Warlords are individual Githyanki Knights and Generals that have seized control of their own God Cities and Prime Material strongholds. The Kai'Tarn'Gith are all "Shoguns" and there's a curious honor amongst the various Gith groups. Specifically, its a conflict that isn't all out war.

Most of the Warlords are interacting as much through assassins, sabotage, skirmishes, subterfuge, bargaining, and diplomacy as they are with open warfare amongst each other. The ideal solution for most Githyanki Generals is they can force a rival into a subordinate position underneath them. I think we should detail two Githyanki Warlords as an example of their leadership.

I think the first one should be the one with the largest of the armies, the political mindset to unite the Githyanki, and also a willingness to ally with lesser races [In the interests of eventually conquering the universe). Sort of a Tokugawa Ieyasu typre figure. Very LE.

The next one, I think should be a die hard fanatic of the Githyanki with a huge army but whose mostly a danger because he's a fantic. He's all for attacking the Prime Material, burning it down, and starting to enslave other races as Gith dreamed. He's NE. He should also have (secret) ties to the Duthka'gith

The Silver Swords: This is a rough translation but these are a bunch of Githyanki Knights, some having switched over to LN or even LG of all things, that have devoted themselves to finding Gith to come back in their hour of greatest need. While some of them believe the legend literally, quite a few of the Knights believe that Gith is dead and needs to be brought back. While the tens of thousands of years since her death precludes a normal resurrection, they're confident that they can figure a way around it so long as they can find either a trace of her soul or her corpse.

The Silver Swords are starting to become Folk heroes of the Githyanki as they have no desire to involve themselves in the Civil War. Instead, they're mostly working to prevent their fellow Gith from suffering at the hands of traitors or protecting them from any soulless barbarians that would take advantage of the situation.

The Amakal'Kosh'Vlaakith: 'The Glorious Disciples of Vlaakith' are lead by mostly undead Githyanki mixed with Vlaakith's priests (their spells provided by Tiamat) that have been largely cast out of Githyanki society under the pretext of 'failing' to protect her. Most of the rank and file are Vlaakith's former secret police in the Ch'r'ai and her priests that believed her destined for Godhood.

The group maintains its fortress on the Negative Material Plane where it's all but unassailable and are mostly looking for where Vlaakith's soul was taken when her spirit receptacle was destroyed. They consider the majority of Githyanki to be traitors and are not above plots that cause large scale collateral damage along with using "barbarian" demons and devils to attack them.

It's good to have a group that's just unambiguously rotten to even the LE Githyanki.

Zerths: A Githzerai society that definitely need expanding.

Sha'Sal Khou: A mixed Githzerai and Githyanki secret society banned by both people and lead by the Githyanki Zetch'r'r that wants to reunite them into one race. The group claims responsibility for destroying the Lich Queen and quite a few believe them. I'm inclined to have Zetch'r'r killed and the group currently undergoing some serious problems at this time.

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'Charles Phipps' wrote:
With Rhys' permission, I thought that we should probably restrict the number of Githyanki and Githzerai secret societies to 9 because we don't want to get TOO large in this book.

...Wait, there's a book now?

Just saying, my own ideas of the Githyanki vary considerably from yours. I'll continue posting my own content, so that others are free to agree or disagree with said ideas.

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'Zimrazim' wrote:

Just saying, my own ideas of the Githyanki vary considerably from yours. I'll continue posting my own content, so that others are free to agree or disagree with said ideas.

I think our goal is to create a Githyanki/Githzerai book. This is meant to be the "canon" portrayal of 3E for them rather than just discuss the nature of Githyanki and Githzerai society. While the "official" website seal might not matter to some, the Kargatane went on to publish a vast Ravenloft book set with White Wolf's help.

Likewise, I'd like to take the job seriously of creating the REAL Githyanki story. So, obviously, its important to hammer out what the actual portrayals are and have someone who can dictate what's true and what's not.

I believe Rhys should do that. Cause people are going to be very disappointed if they continue to write only to find out a large amount of their content is rendered obsolete because some of the assumptions they were making turned out to be wrong for the New Gith.

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'Charles Phipps' wrote:
the Kargatane went on to publish a vast Ravenloft book set with White Wolf's help.

Githyanki (and illithids, and githzerai) are WotC Product Identity. Am I missing something here?

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'Zimrazim' wrote:
Githyanki (and illithids, and githzerai) are WotC Product Identity. Am I missing something here?

Yeah, and they've also stated that they're willing to farm out books provided anyone could ever meet the price they're willing to make (at Gencon they said no less).

I think the actual specifics of the business was that the 3rd Party must be willing to write the setting book then THEY (WOTC) will publish it (taking in most of the profits) while the rest can be met.

It might be a pipe dream a similar thing can be arranged for the Githyanki but it worked for Sovereign Press and Dragonlance. It's more an ideal of what COULD happen and a way of illustrating that I take the work here very seriously.

But yes, I think it's important to work out any differences in interpretation beforehand.

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Charles is referring to pulling together the best of the work produced on the forums here into a downloadable PDF under the Rrakkma section here at Planewalker - much as Ortho plans to eventually be a netbook, and the Hordling project does as well. There should be a sticky thread around here somewhere much to that effect giving and outline of how much we have to work with.

It's important to make note that that's not the *only* purpose of this sub-forum though, so you shouldn't feel like you're obligated to post elsewhere if you have non-PDF related ideas.

Re: hopes of becoming published. Not anytime soon. Given WotC's recent business choices, I honestly believe it more likely they would ask the entire site to shut down or be moved to Gleemax - than to work with us to publish anything. So I would work towards quality regardless of page count, cause it won't matter for a dead-tree version of the work. If it takes a lot of page count to do the Githyanki right - so be it.

Should a miracle occur - the work could easily be divided into dead-tree sections and web-enhancement sections.

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Yeah, I know the likelihood sadly.

But ya gotta think Positive or our Gatetown will be sucked into the Abyss!

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Ha! Well put. The whole world's going to Baator anyway tho.

In my currently running Git'riban campaign, the various factions of githyanki are known as 'Power Blocs'

The following is from my ooc post for the game, repeated here for your edification, enlightenment, and entertainment:

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A Kriegstantz exists among Githyanki Factions in the Wake of the Lich Queen's destruction -

The Ascendancy is seeking a new queen. They have the unquestioning support of the knighthood and many warbands, but there are three competing candidates. Collectively they are known as the Princesses. The Young Heir has the most knightly support. The White Lady is a lich with the support of the 'Court of Vlaakith', the Lich Queen's former victims, now undead residing on the Neg-energy plane. The Singer of Fire is a half-dragon, and though she has the least support she has ties to the Cult of Tiamat, the only Githyanki still benefiting from the Dragon Alliance.

The Heartforce is made up of several powerful Governors-Millitant in the largest Astral cities and fortresses. They reject The Ascendancy, but being career military are a cautious and pragmatic group.

The Silver Eyes are seekers across the planes. They look for magic and psionic items to use against the Illithid. They collect intelligence and train infiltrators. Some seek for signs of the return of Gith herself. Others believe they have found her, and seek her regalia: The Sword of Gith, Gith's Tiara, and The Dagger of Gith.

The Cult of Tiamat are half-dragons and supporters. They are the only Githyanki for whom the Dragon Alliance still holds. A very few have begun to wield priestly powers. The are a slippery group, supporting a Princess of the Acendancy, yet at the same time having close ties to The True. They are more concerned with their own grab for power than with the wars against the Githzerai and the Illithid.

The True believe that Gith's soul has returned, and resides in a young Gish known now by the name of Ar-Gith. Her own Warband are loyal believers, as many where on the battlefield when they say it happened. They do not support the Acendancy, yet are very close to the Cult of Tiamat. They are fervent belivers in The War of Two Skies, battling against their long-sundered kin, the Githzerai.

The Reconciliation opposes the continuation of The War of Two Skies. They consist of the most fanatic Illithid-hunters and Silver Eyes who believe in the wake of the Lich Queen's demise the mind flayers will gain power. They have little support in the Astral, since rumors linked them to Vlaakith CLVII's death. However, they do have a resource no other group has in their counterparts among the Githzerai.

Between them all are the Warbands. The loyalty of the vast majority of Githyanki is to their warband's leaders and their own battle-brothers. Most are quiet about where their support lies. Then, they may support one faction for awhile before changing positions. They operate from astral forts connected to secret fortified hatcheries on prime worlds.

Then there are training centers for Gish, Warlocks, Psi-warriors, Mlar, and other specialists. Most operate almost like universities, and have ties with several warbands at once. Within their halls may stalk Githyanki with greatly opposing views.

This factioning of the Githyanki and shifting Astral winds of alliance and betrayal has given rise to a name for the conflict;

The Quicksilver War.

Rarely do warbands battle each other openly, though there are many individual duels and blitzkeig engagements between them. The competition is one of shifting support, banding together for common goals, and riding the lines between the differant power blocs. Common modes of 'combat' include securing objectives and support before your rivals do, assassination, and aquisition of powerful artifacts (read: Adventuring!).

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I like all those factions and think that, while we should give them "Githyanki" names in addition to the names you gave here, we should use this as the model for producing our books start.

We should detail each in turn.

Please share more information at your leisure.

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Okay. So, I saw this thread when it popped up, but I've been really busy this week, so I've only just now found the time to respond.

Books: Like Clueless said, this site can't really publish books. For me, the ideal model for what could be done with this githyanki bonanza would be what has been done with the "Codex: Denizens of..." boards. They put out pdfs that look rather nice. It's nothing new, it's just that--assuming we hit critical mass with some kind of useful body of writing--we can pile it into a pdf and put it on Planewalker for download. But that's only a "goal" in the sense that I thought it'd be nice to put all that stuff that got written together with more stuff yet-to-be-written and present it coherently.

Projects: I really like to see this energy going back into the "post-Incursion githyanki" project. It's something that I still really want to see come to fruition, but I had kind of fallen off in my promotion of it. What I think it had too much of before, though, is organization rather than content. We had a lot of brainstorming threads, but what needs to happen is for us to start churning out real paragraphs. If you have an idea for a juicy detail regarding the topic, it's no surprise to say that you should just write it. Assume that it's a part of the project content and just tell us all about it, exactly as you would see it written in some kind of "DM's Guide to running post-Incursion Planescape." If people like it, we can say we'll go with it and base what we write next on that.

Forums: That being said, it doesn't mean that, overnight, the Rrakkma forum has been transformed into an Incursion content factory and no one told you. As far as I can tell, this is just a spontaneous outpouring of enthusiasm for what people have put work into. Let's embrace it. But the forums are also about whatever other gith-related topics people care to post about or ask about. Those are no less relevant and they've been made no less important.

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