Resurrecting the Blood Crow.

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Resurrecting the Blood Crow.

I'd like to resurrect this topic, if no one minds. (There's an old post by Blackthornes suggesting the idea, but my 'reply' button seems to be broken at the moment.)

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This is honestly not something I'd use in my game, or want to see available in a Planescape campaign. When you've got factols, exemplar generals, and divine proxies all available as PrC role models, who'd want to devote their life to becoming the best darn scavenger of old Blood War battlefields the planes had ever seen?

I like the concept, actually (just not the suggested mechanics for the class). It works well for someone who likes a 'low fantasy' or 'dark fantasy' feel to a campaign. Examples of ignoble character concepts in popular fantasy fiction: Elric of Melnibone (actually pacted with a demon, invaded and razed the city of his birth, among other things), almost anything from Glen Cook's Black Company series. The idea of a Blood Crow also conjures up a sort of Mad Max "living on the edge" mentality, too.

Heck, one of the characters in a game on this website is a professional assassin.

I'm a little tired to do the full flowery writeup right now, but here are a few things that come to mind:

Blood crows may be of any race, but tieflings are very, very common. Partly because it may be hard for the average tiefer to find a better job, but also because the infernal taint many of them have causes them to gravitate to the Lower Planes. Some become Blood War mercenaries, but not all are cut out for such 'glorious' work. You'd be VERY unlikely to find an aasimar with this job, as celestial-bloods tend to get dead-booked, tortured, or enslaved in short order on these planes.

Some blood crows are, in fact, ex-Blood War mercenaries who have fallen upon hard times. (A bad injury, political infighting, drunkenness/addictions, the list goes on.) Some of these become leadership figures among these scavengers.

May be encountered almost anywhere the Blood War is, but pretty common from Acheron to Pandemonium, and the lower half of the Outlands.

No real solid organization or network. Some are loners or pairs. Others have formed small, vicious gangs (actually called 'murders,' after the name for a group of crows). There's power in numbers, so a blood crow found alone is probably either a powerful cutter, habitual loner, or especially desperate.

VERY valuable as an information source, to interested parties -- in the same way that street people are in cities. A blood crow who's been around for long has an extraordinary knowledge of boltholes and comparatively safe places on the Lower Planes, and their information is among the most up-to-date available. (i.e., on Gehenna, 'This tunnel is fine. That tunnel has got at least three fiends calling it kip. Don't go down that one.')

A good source of up-to-the-minute information on the Blood War in general. They mostly don't have a high-level understanding of what's going on (though some of the ex-mercenaries among them may be able to draw conclusions), but they could tell someone that a fiend of such and such a description was found among the dead, that the tanar'ri clearly won the battle at such and such a place, that a group of mortal mercenaries with particular heraldry was captured and led toward a specific portal. That weapons of celestial make were all over the place on a particular battlefield. The fiendish castes associated with espionage (nycaloths, for example) won't hesitate to use them as an information source. Some fiends may simply beat or torture it out of them, but others find they get better results by just paying them. And blood crows are usually cheap.

Know rather a lot about the Blood War arms trade (in the 'micro', not the 'macro' sense). Such and such a weapon is obviously celestial-forged, this other one was made by a famous tanar'ri weaponsmith, this other one by a group of evil human wizards, those pikes over there are trash, etc.

May be of any alignment, but a strong tendency toward neutral or (especially) evil alignment. (Good cutters usually have better things to do than scavenge Blood War battlefields for a living.)

The main way they survive on the Lower Planes is by hiding and drawing as little attention to themselves as possible. Many won't hesitate to cut deals with the 'locals' to protect themselves(sure, I'll let you know about everyone who goes through this portal, if you don't kill and eat me). They are generally seen as a very 'lowly' caste -- even for mortals -- to such an extent that fiends won't routinely force them into Blood War combat unless they're desperate. (Too shifty and useless to be good for much of anything, see.) Much more likely to set captive blood crows to ditch digging and similar hard, dirty work. While they are, as a whole, extremely good at avoiding unnecessary trouble with the fiends, blood crows can be and are abused or killed frequently.

Pretty much every one of them has some kind of 'fence' contact for scavenged goods -- experienced crows have several. They may also have numerous contacts among fiends, adventurers, mercenaries, and almost anybody who has a stake in the Blood War.

They tend to dress in the most nondescript clothing they can find, tailored to wherever they are. They will have some means of dealing with local conditions (very heavy clothing on the icy lower planes, for a start). Many wear some sort of face concealment -- a half-mask covering the lower half of the face is popular. This serves three purposes. First, it provides some small protection against sulfurous fumes and the constant stench of thousands of dead and wounded fiends. Second, the nature of their job is such that they might have to kill a badly wounded or nearly dead fiend to get at a piece of swag after a battle. At least some of those fiends might re-form later on their native planes, and the less likely the piked-off fiend is to remember his face, the better. Finally, it provides the crows themselves a sense of anonymity, which in turn gives at least some of them a sense of restored dignity.

Game mechanics (very rough ideas here):

The general idea is that most of these hail from a Rogue class background, but it should also be possible to take this class without having ridiculously high levels in cross-class skills.

Required skills: X ranks in Sneak, Hide, Search, Appraise, Knowledge: the Planes. Must own at least one magical weapon (may not actually be a +x sword -- can be anything, such as a rod or staff, that is capable of really injuring fiends). Must have had some contact with a Blood War engagement, either during or after. (In other words, they may have seen a Blood War battle, fought in said battle at some point, or may have arrived shortly after a battle.)

Bonus to Appraise checks on any Blood War-related item.
Bonus to Knowledge checks concerning the Lower Planes, especially if related to the Blood War, practical knowledge of a a fiend type's usual defenses and abilities, etc.
Generally aware of normal environmental conditions pretty much anywhere on the Lower Planes.
Strong bonus to saving throws against nonmagical disease. Small bonus to saving throws against magical disease. These people may literally have to wade through rivers of blood to get at Blood War swag.
Minimum Constitution score of 12 (see above).
May perform a coup de grace against a helpless opponent as a standard action, rather than a full-round action. (I think this is called the Deathblow feat in one of the rulebooks.) You know these cutters kill off the badly wounded all the time.
Has a high chance of knowing of any nearby bolthole/hiding place/place of relative safety on the Lower Planes (DM's discretion, or could be done as a die roll).
Penalty to Diplomacy checks in most 'high-society' situations. (They're an 'untouchable' caste. Not someone you'd invite to a Lady's Ward dinner.)

These might work as PCs in some campaigns (especially dark-themed, 'low fantasy,' and/or Lower Planar campaigns), but are also invaluable!!! as NPC guides on the Lower Planes. You can't completely trust them, of course, but whom can you really trust in places like Gehenna and the Abyss?

Thoughts?

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Resurrecting the Blood Crow.

I like the idea and think that it has potential. Here's a few thoughts-

- I'd make it relatively easy for rangers & scouts to take up the profession, they seem to fit the bill too.
- Damage reduction/ energy resistance/planar effect avoidance appropriate to common blood war battles, possibly choose from a list of common sites every couple of levels which become you 'favourite scavenging grounds' eg. disease immunity for Oinos generally, DR vs Piercing for the field on nettles, sonic resistance for Pandemonium, etc.
- Probably 6 skill points per level - versatility and skills you can rely on in non-magical areas would be very valuable, especially if you're playing with spell keys.
- +2 bonus on diplomacy checks with fiends every 3 levels
- Bonus language every few levels selected from a pre-defined list (mostly fiendish languages but those of mercenaries'd be useful too)
- Resist/immunity to fear (possibly re-roll will saves?)

I'll let you know if I think of anything else

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Resurrecting the Blood Crow.

Really like these suggestions.

'Azriael' wrote:
I like the idea and think that it has potential. Here's a few thoughts- - Damage reduction/ energy resistance/planar effect avoidance appropriate to common blood war battles, possibly choose from a list of common sites every couple of levels which become you 'favourite scavenging grounds' eg. disease immunity for Oinos generally, DR vs Piercing for the field on nettles, sonic resistance for Pandemonium, etc.

I can see becoming resistant, but what would be a good in-game justification for an immunity? That smacks of magic (which some, but not all, blood crows have access to). I think the MotP has a prestige class with planar immunities, but such a strong ability seems a bit silly... I always saw planar environments as presenting a continuing challenge for characters.

Related question -- is there anything really that counters the soul-munching, leeching despair of the Grey Waste? Ironically, because of that particular planar effect, blood crows may only enter Oinos for quick "get in, scavenge, get out quick" work at best, even though Oinos probably has the most abundant Blood War swag of all.

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2) Roll a natural 1 on d20.
3) ?????
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Resurrecting the Blood Crow.

'Zimrazim' wrote:
I can see becoming resistant, but what would be a good in-game justification for an immunity? That smacks of magic (which some, but not all, blood crows have access to). I think the MotP has a prestige class with planar immunities, but such a strong ability seems a bit silly... I always saw planar environments as presenting a continuing challenge for characters.

Related question -- is there anything really that counters the soul-munching, leeching despair of the Grey Waste? Ironically, because of that particular planar effect, blood crows may only enter Oinos for quick "get in, scavenge, get out quick" work at best, even though Oinos probably has the most abundant Blood War swag of all.

Immune system build-up - it's amazing what the body can get used to after prolonged exposure, add in a certain degree of natural selection and you could achieve some of these results - multiple stab-wounds/acid damage cause calluses which help resist further damage, the immune system becomes tougher because of frequent attacks by toxins, the persons willpower becomes exceptionally strong in the face of all the horror/despair that they face on a daily basis, etc.

One other idea I had since my last post was that they could recieve a fiendish trait/feat at higher levels as a result of all their contact with fiendish magics and bodily fluids (and lets face it when food gets tight that erynes starts to look mighty tasty).

I can't think of any way to resist the effects of the grey-waste off the top of my head apart from magic items. I actually kind of like the "get in then get out with as much loot as you can carry" approach that this would encourage since "getting used to it" would probably just make the apathy worse.

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