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Are there any theoretical connections between Cthulhu Mythos and Illithid Gods (God)? )) :mrgreen:

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Actually, the Aboleth 'Elder Evils' from Lords of Madness are based on the Lovecraftian 'Great Old Ones'. I don't think the Illithid gods are similarly inspired, however.

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Oh ... Actually I was clueless about Aboleth then. ) But what about Cthulhu himself? I always thought his image inspired WoTC to design Illithids. So, I wonder if using a group of Cthulhu Cultists among the Illithid society would be considered as a sign of a bad taste in a campaign?

And I just wish to hear some public opinion about that.

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Since we're on the topic of Illithid gods, I've always wondered something.

How does ilsensine fit in with the origin story of the Illithid traveling back in time from the far flung future?

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'jareddm' wrote:
Since we're on the topic of Illithid gods, I've always wondered something.

How does ilsensine fit in with the origin story of the Illithid traveling back in time from the far flung future?

One of the versions is that Ilsensine is just an Elder Brain created by Illithids to travel in time and fused with godlike powers. Something like that. IMHO.)

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So, I wonder if using a group of Cthulhu Cultists among the Illithid society would be considered as a sign of a bad taste in a campaign?

And I just wish to hear some public opinion about that.

Hey, your taste is your own business. Myself, I use the "uber-horrors from beyond" theme in my PS campaign, but I never used the word "Cthulhu" per se. In fact, It worked even better having the PCs not being able to pin a name on the otherworldly horror threatening to destroy whole planes.

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How does ilsensine fit in with the origin story of the Illithid traveling back in time from the far flung future?

Read Ilsensene : Alpha and Omega in the Rakkma: Legacy of Zerthimon section of the Features section on Planewalker.com's main page for a really good take on this. I loved it, and have incorporated it (with some modification, naturally) into my own games.

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By the way, since I'm missing certain sorurcebooks I'd love to have, I don't know about other illithid gods other than Ilsensene. Can anyone give a short synopsis on any?

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By the way, since I'm missing certain sorurcebooks I'd love to have, I don't know about other illithid gods other than Ilsensene. Can anyone give a short synopsis on any?

Maanzecorian. A 'kinder, gentler' brain-sucker.

From 2e's Monster Mythology: "...He considers that there are things which illithids may profitably learn from other brains before they eat them, and eating is a pleasure which is most delightful after lingering anticipation."

Has associations with the Arcane and philosophy.

A follower of Maanzecorian is more likely to view the edible races, or at least some of their members, as more than prey and livestock (though he will still enslave or eat them if he wishes). I think that those illithids who don't immediately seek to eat or enslave other races upon initial contact with them, or who actively choose to mingle with non-illithids, are more likely to be associated with Maanzecorian.

I'm trying to decide whether Thought Taker from the Cloakmaster series of novels (at least, the way he was portrayed in 'Into the Void,' not the later novels) might be an extreme example of what a Maanzecorian follower might be like. He traveled among 'lesser races' as an ivory-tower scholar and actually befriended numerous humans, including the protagonist. He also dined well on the brains of kobolds (i.e., hated racial enemies of whoever he's working with) and pirates -- basically, those whose de-braining wouldn't offend those humans/others that he lived among.

In any case, Maanzecorian was bumped off by Orcus (or maybe Tenebrous) using the Last Word. I would love to see something like a module dedicated to the resurrection of Maanzecorian someday.

If I were to render Maanzecorian in 3e terms, I'd probably make Ilsensine more closely associated with pure psionics, telepathy, and the conquest and enslavement of other races, while Maanzecorian would be more devoted to the Arcane, philosophy, and particularly scholarly or 'free-thinking' illithids.

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'Zimrazim' wrote:
[hi Azure]

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You're always welcome in Git'riban (which is much more than most graith can say)

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'Hyaenadon' wrote:
Oh ... Actually I was clueless about Aboleth then. ) But what about Cthulhu himself? I always thought his image inspired WoTC to design Illithids. So, I wonder if using a group of Cthulhu Cultists among the Illithid society would be considered as a sign of a bad taste in a campaign?

No, it wouldn't be in bad taste. Cthulhu's powers over the mind and physical appearance would probably inspire many mind flayers to gather and attempt to draw him forth from the depths.

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