Quest Feedback

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myziar: 01:34:37so...how's your zone now?
Iydkmigththky: 01:35:05it's going ok
Iydkmigththky: 01:35:15I'm stuck for storyline though
myziar: 01:35:22hmm?
myziar: 01:35:30what about the theme?
Iydkmigththky: 01:35:33here's the general theme of the zone
Iydkmigththky: 01:35:44this is a Svirfneblin colony
Iydkmigththky: 01:36:09Recently the colony has received some guests
Iydkmigththky: 01:36:41Everyone seems to accept these guests presence without question except for a few of the

Svirfnebli
Iydkmigththky: 01:37:05Something about these "guests" concerns the Burrow Warden
Iydkmigththky: 01:37:26though whenever he starts to mention his suspicions to his fellows
Iydkmigththky: 01:37:42they all look at him as if he's a fool
Iydkmigththky: 01:37:48and he can't understand it
Iydkmigththky: 01:37:51things aren't adding up
Iydkmigththky: 01:38:06however also residing in this colony
Iydkmigththky: 01:38:29is A Duergar disguised as a Dwarf
Iydkmigththky: 01:38:42The Duergar is a spy from the Underdark City of Graklstugh
Iydkmigththky: 01:38:59However he is enjoying his time with the Svirfneblin but
Iydkmigththky: 01:39:10he also realizes something is not right among the people he's spying on
Iydkmigththky: 01:39:30not that he cares for the stinking beardless cousins of his
Iydkmigththky: 01:39:48though that's a sentiment he keeps to himseof in order to maintain his cover
Iydkmigththky: 01:39:50still
Iydkmigththky: 01:39:54it arouses his curiosity
Iydkmigththky: 01:40:02what has made these Svirfneblin
Iydkmigththky: 01:40:04so docile
Iydkmigththky: 01:40:06so servile
Iydkmigththky: 01:40:09so tame
myziar: 01:40:15eh, sec....so you're saying..
myziar: 01:40:18before the guests come
myziar: 01:40:23they're....not all that?
Iydkmigththky: 01:40:26well
Iydkmigththky: 01:40:38The Svirfneblin don't necessarily have a feared reputaiton but
Iydkmigththky: 01:41:05they have survived as residents in the underdark for countless ages since the time of the

Genasi
Iydkmigththky: 01:41:22that in itself should be a testament to their ability to defend themselves.
Iydkmigththky: 01:41:34yet it seems to both the burrow warden and the duergar spy
Iydkmigththky: 01:41:46that everyone is behaving very strangely
Iydkmigththky: 01:42:07almost as if they lived to do nothing but work
Iydkmigththky: 01:42:23not even the dour Duergar have such a dismal view of life
myziar: 01:42:31and all this......after the 'guests' come?
Iydkmigththky: 01:42:38and for the Svirfneblin who thoroughly enjoy spending tiem with their families
Iydkmigththky: 01:42:45after the guests come
myziar: 01:42:49nods
Iydkmigththky: 01:42:57nearly every Svirfneblin finds his life centered around his work
Iydkmigththky: 01:43:13enjoyment of life and friends and family does not even enter the picture
Iydkmigththky: 01:43:18the Burrow Warden's own wife
Iydkmigththky: 01:43:33never seems to enjoy the things she once used to
Iydkmigththky: 01:43:40it is all very strange
myziar: 01:44:04interesting
Iydkmigththky: 01:44:32so
myziar: 01:44:35so what do the 'guests' appear as actually?
myziar: 01:44:41oh, okay..continue.
Iydkmigththky: 01:44:45that's the other strange thing
Iydkmigththky: 01:45:24to some they appear to be honest merchants
Iydkmigththky: 01:45:35to others they appear to be the survivors of a holocaust
Iydkmigththky: 01:45:41and to others..
Iydkmigththky: 01:45:58they appear as harsh men who brook no disagreement
Iydkmigththky: 01:46:07the truth of the matter
Iydkmigththky: 01:46:13is another situation entirely
myziar: 01:46:20um, ,sec..what's brook?
Iydkmigththky: 01:46:32abide
Iydkmigththky: 01:46:35tolerate
myziar: 01:46:38nods
myziar: 01:46:44okay, continue please.
Iydkmigththky: 01:47:12do you care if I spoil it for you?
Iydkmigththky: 01:47:23cause what i tell you next will spoilt he story
Iydkmigththky: 01:47:23but
Iydkmigththky: 01:47:26some people dont' mind
Iydkmigththky: 01:47:27so if you dont
Iydkmigththky: 01:47:28I dont
Iydkmigththky: 01:47:40in fact
Iydkmigththky: 01:47:43for you to help me further
Iydkmigththky: 01:47:47I ought tot ell you
Iydkmigththky: 01:48:31what do you think?
myziar: 01:48:33um, I personally wouldn't like a great story like this especially spoilt....but it's okay. I make an

exception this time.
Iydkmigththky: 01:48:39hah
Iydkmigththky: 01:48:40ok
Iydkmigththky: 01:48:45basically
Iydkmigththky: 01:48:54a great story hah
Iydkmigththky: 01:48:56we shall see
Iydkmigththky: 01:49:08these guests
Iydkmigththky: 01:49:09are in truth
Iydkmigththky: 01:49:13nothing other than Illithids
Iydkmigththky: 01:49:17in disguise
Iydkmigththky: 01:49:21one among their number
myziar: 01:49:23heh, of course.
Iydkmigththky: 01:49:28is a master illusionist
Iydkmigththky: 01:49:37another
myziar: 01:49:42illusionist? Mmmmmm...interesting. I just love illus!
myziar: 01:49:44nods
Iydkmigththky: 01:49:45is a master mindflayer
Iydkmigththky: 01:49:49the third
Iydkmigththky: 01:49:54is an abomination
Iydkmigththky: 01:49:57an Alhoon
myziar: 01:50:03what's that?
Iydkmigththky: 01:50:03an undead mindflayer
myziar: 01:50:07oh, nods
Iydkmigththky: 01:50:13an undead Illithid
Iydkmigththky: 01:50:21I say abomination for a very good reason
Iydkmigththky: 01:50:34Illithids despise magic
myziar: 01:50:53hrmm?
Iydkmigththky: 01:50:55and they consider those who dabble in it pathetic
Iydkmigththky: 01:51:02Undead
Iydkmigththky: 01:51:12well I'm not sure if you're aware but Illithids fear undead
Iydkmigththky: 01:51:17more than they fear anything
myziar: 01:51:28....um, what about the illus then? I thought it's magic....
myziar: 01:51:29nods
Iydkmigththky: 01:51:32Psionics for the most part are completely ineffective vs undead
Iydkmigththky: 01:51:41except for indirect or physical action
myziar: 01:51:47heh, logically true.
Iydkmigththky: 01:52:08so some psionic spells st ill affect undead
Iydkmigththky: 01:52:15but most mind affecting ones do not
Iydkmigththky: 01:52:18as they have no mind
myziar: 01:52:21nods
Iydkmigththky: 01:52:23no mind to speak of
Iydkmigththky: 01:52:32however
Iydkmigththky: 01:52:44imbued with the necrotic powers of the underworld
Iydkmigththky: 01:52:51all liches as you are I'm sure aware of
Iydkmigththky: 01:53:00start out as living beings
Iydkmigththky: 01:53:07in the case of an Alhoon
Iydkmigththky: 01:53:26They are Illithid sorcerers (already an extreme rarity)
Iydkmigththky: 01:53:45who seek to further their magical study by prolonging their life through the course of

becoming undead
Iydkmigththky: 01:54:01Alhoons are hunted by the Illithid community and destroyed whenever they are discovered
Iydkmigththky: 01:54:22in any event
Iydkmigththky: 01:54:34there's more to these three guests than even their sublime nature
Iydkmigththky: 01:54:49The 2 Illithids and the Alhoon
Iydkmigththky: 01:55:02harbor no real animosity towards their 'hosts'
Iydkmigththky: 01:55:05however
Iydkmigththky: 01:55:28the true nature of the Illithids were it revealed would not serve their interests
Iydkmigththky: 01:55:36so of course
Iydkmigththky: 01:55:50the illusionist cast them into disguises
Iydkmigththky: 01:56:08the mindflayer began the subtle process of subduing the minds of the svirfneblin
Iydkmigththky: 01:56:15though very very discreetly
Iydkmigththky: 01:56:31so as not to arouse any suspicion among the members of the Svirfneblin community
Iydkmigththky: 01:56:47the Alhoon
Iydkmigththky: 01:56:57is the reason they came at first to this place
Iydkmigththky: 01:57:18all 3 are well accquainted with one another
Iydkmigththky: 01:57:33and the Alhoon while he was stilll a true ILlithid
Iydkmigththky: 01:58:08once worked along side these other 2 as peers
Iydkmigththky: 01:58:31When it was discovered that he was dabblign in magic
Iydkmigththky: 01:58:45the Illithid community banished him from their city
Iydkmigththky: 01:59:16Later it was discovered that this Illithid
Iydkmigththky: 01:59:19after his banishment
Iydkmigththky: 01:59:32started the process of becoming an Alhoon
Iydkmigththky: 01:59:41Furthermore
Iydkmigththky: 02:00:09there was also evidence of telepathic communication between it and it's former co-workers
Iydkmigththky: 02:00:26the other 2 illithids barely escaped the city with their lives
Iydkmigththky: 02:00:38but when they did
Iydkmigththky: 02:00:47they immediately sought out their 3rd companion
Iydkmigththky: 02:01:07Upon finding him they realized they had to find a place that was secure for them
Iydkmigththky: 02:01:15not only secure from magical prying
Iydkmigththky: 02:01:20but also from psionic prying
Iydkmigththky: 02:01:33The alhoon and the mindflayer through their arts
Iydkmigththky: 02:01:41each determined a focal point for just such a place
Iydkmigththky: 02:01:52the place is of course our location
Iydkmigththky: 02:01:54Droomspire
myziar: 02:02:05.....
myziar: 02:02:16so, in the end...
Iydkmigththky: 02:02:20The nature of this very spot in the underdark
myziar: 02:02:20what they gonna do?
myziar: 02:02:22revenge?
Iydkmigththky: 02:02:33the magical wards that the svirfneblin set in place
myziar: 02:02:33oh, okay, continue!
Iydkmigththky: 02:02:39formed a secure barrier from magic
Iydkmigththky: 02:02:47and the very nature of the Mushroom itself
Iydkmigththky: 02:02:51for some unknown reason
Iydkmigththky: 02:03:08also served to block psionic attempts at location
Iydkmigththky: 02:03:25of course the Illithid community was unaware of this
myziar: 02:03:59boggle
Iydkmigththky: 02:04:00psionic spells can still be performed of course within the structure itself
myziar: 02:04:01but
myziar: 02:04:04ah, okay
myziar: 02:04:08just about to ask that.
Iydkmigththky: 02:04:11or else our mindflayer firend
Iydkmigththky: 02:04:22would have trouble keeping suspicions from becoming more than that
Iydkmigththky: 02:04:26but
Iydkmigththky: 02:04:34any psionic attempt at location
Iydkmigththky: 02:04:36or travel
Iydkmigththky: 02:04:40impossible
myziar: 02:04:47but
myziar: 02:04:53psionicists can enter that place?
Iydkmigththky: 02:05:00by walking in only
myziar: 02:05:10oh, okay.
myziar: 02:05:20so, what so speacial about the burrow warden really?
myziar: 02:05:30to make him able to see what's happening?
Iydkmigththky: 02:05:45he's in possession of an amulet handed down to him by his father the previous burrow warden
Iydkmigththky: 02:06:02which wards him from any mind-altering spells or abilities
Iydkmigththky: 02:06:06magic or psionic
myziar: 02:06:08hrmm....the burrow warden is pretty much the leader of that place?
Iydkmigththky: 02:06:12no
Iydkmigththky: 02:06:13not quite
Iydkmigththky: 02:06:21he is the "police chief"
myziar: 02:06:27oh, nods.
Iydkmigththky: 02:06:47I have to study abit more on svirfneblins
Iydkmigththky: 02:06:52to come up with a suitable leader figure
Iydkmigththky: 02:07:10but being that he plays no role central to the sotry
Iydkmigththky: 02:07:11story
Iydkmigththky: 02:07:22I doubt he'll be much more than a decent-nice piece of equipment
myziar: 02:07:32heh, nods.
Iydkmigththky: 02:07:41I'm thinking of making this zone levels 20-40
Iydkmigththky: 02:07:55down the road
Iydkmigththky: 02:08:02I will be adding another section to it
myziar: 02:08:09oh?
Iydkmigththky: 02:08:16you've seen the pictures I've showed u
myziar: 02:08:21nods
Iydkmigththky: 02:08:23the bottom of that
Iydkmigththky: 02:08:26there will be a shaft
Iydkmigththky: 02:08:33leading down deep
Iydkmigththky: 02:08:50deep into an abyss of unimaginable depth
Iydkmigththky: 02:09:20which within dwell all sorts of demons, imps, succubi and other infernal creatures
Iydkmigththky: 02:09:46it will also have a tangental role in why the mushroom is there in the first place
myziar: 02:09:59Interesting!
Iydkmigththky: 02:10:00though inhabited by good beings
Iydkmigththky: 02:10:14the events that caused the mushroom to come about
Iydkmigththky: 02:10:26were the direct result of an ancient evil
Iydkmigththky: 02:10:49so ancient it transcends the historical memory of the drow (a very long-lived race)
Iydkmigththky: 02:11:04but that's another story
Iydkmigththky: 02:11:07in any event
Iydkmigththky: 02:11:10here's what i picture
Iydkmigththky: 02:11:17the quests will not be linear
Iydkmigththky: 02:11:27there will be several choices one can make along the way
Iydkmigththky: 02:11:35depending on the choices made
Iydkmigththky: 02:11:48certain PATHS of other quests may be closed off
myziar: 02:12:06hmmmm....
Iydkmigththky: 02:12:10so for example
Iydkmigththky: 02:12:15we knowk for sure
Iydkmigththky: 02:12:20that there are 2 beings in Droomspire
Iydkmigththky: 02:12:29who have not fallen completely for the ruse of the Illithids
Iydkmigththky: 02:12:34though they still maintain their disguise
Iydkmigththky: 02:12:46the Burrow Warden
Iydkmigththky: 02:12:51and the Duergar Spy both know
Iydkmigththky: 02:12:58that the guests are more than they appear
Iydkmigththky: 02:13:01but they know not what
Iydkmigththky: 02:13:07now
Iydkmigththky: 02:13:21should the player choose to help the duergar find out
Iydkmigththky: 02:13:36what exactly the nature of these guests are
Iydkmigththky: 02:14:02then the result upon finding out when they return to him
Iydkmigththky: 02:14:13will be that
Iydkmigththky: 02:14:27he require their assistance in disposing of these loathesome creatures
myziar: 02:15:36um, how about the burrow warden then?
Iydkmigththky: 02:15:37and following that a set of superbly made duergar armor, leggings, gloves, boots, and

armplates will be granted to the the adventurer
Iydkmigththky: 02:15:41for finishing that quest
myziar: 02:15:46oh, nods.
Iydkmigththky: 02:15:46I'm getting to th at
Iydkmigththky: 02:15:59I said a set for a good reason
Iydkmigththky: 02:16:07because it will require a group to complete
Iydkmigththky: 02:16:18and a group of about 5
Iydkmigththky: 02:16:25so each player ought to get a piece
Iydkmigththky: 02:16:33now
Iydkmigththky: 02:16:52should the players instead choose to aid the burrow warden in his discovery of the Illithids
Iydkmigththky: 02:17:30then they will get something else
Iydkmigththky: 02:18:14I was thinking 5 different types of weapons of superb dwarven make and enchanted by the

greatest Svirfneblin conjurers with special magic
Iydkmigththky: 02:18:32there's also another hitch
Iydkmigththky: 02:18:41you can also inform the burrow warden of the duergar spy
Iydkmigththky: 02:18:50and receive an additional reward
Iydkmigththky: 02:18:58though I have yet to decide on the manner of what that is
Iydkmigththky: 02:19:06lastly
Iydkmigththky: 02:19:14there's a 3rd alternative
Iydkmigththky: 02:19:30You can approach the Illithids themselves and instead of trying to kill them
Iydkmigththky: 02:20:09Upon approaching the illithids
Iydkmigththky: 02:20:15one of their number
Iydkmigththky: 02:20:48will be looking for a specific item which has the capability of negating psionic magic being

used against the bearer
Iydkmigththky: 02:21:07Ill give you 3 guesses as to which one
Iydkmigththky: 02:21:34you there?
Iydkmigththky: 02:22:04well I got to continue writing this anyways
myziar: 02:22:18gimme a sec to think
Iydkmigththky: 02:22:31for submitting to keth and ruo for my storyline and for me to have to refer to as I'm

building my zone
Iydkmigththky: 02:22:48I will parse your statements if you wish
myziar: 02:23:03um, parse?
Iydkmigththky: 02:23:06remove
Iydkmigththky: 02:23:10filter out
myziar: 02:23:20oh lol okay, parse them then heh.
Iydkmigththky: 02:23:27I'm gonna edit
Iydkmigththky: 02:23:30anyways
myziar: 02:23:33of course the medallion? What else?
Iydkmigththky: 02:23:54exactly
Iydkmigththky: 02:23:55but
Iydkmigththky: 02:24:03which illithid do you suppose is going to want it?
myziar: 02:24:11um..
myziar: 02:24:35okay, now that's hard...
Iydkmigththky: 02:24:45not if you have been following what i'm saying
myziar: 02:25:05I don't think it's that straight an answer.
Iydkmigththky: 02:25:12it certainly is
Iydkmigththky: 02:25:17you have 3 choices
Iydkmigththky: 02:25:20and 3 guesses
Iydkmigththky: 02:25:24it's not that difficult
myziar: 02:25:44um, what stopping me from using each guess for each choice then?
Iydkmigththky: 02:25:59nothing
Iydkmigththky: 02:26:03but I wanna hear your first guess
myziar: 02:27:02it must gotta something to do..
myziar: 02:27:05with one of them..
myziar: 02:27:14wait.
myziar: 02:27:23is it the,..
myziar: 02:27:31uh, it's not that straight, is it?
myziar: 02:28:38the Ahloon is an undead, so psonic spells won't work much on him. The mindflayer is a psionicist, so

must be true for him too. Now this gotta be weird.....the illus?
Iydkmigththky: 02:29:03exactly
Iydkmigththky: 02:29:19because the Illusionis is using an Arcane magic
Iydkmigththky: 02:29:30which the Illithids themselves not only don't like
Iydkmigththky: 02:29:36but are also highly resistant to
Iydkmigththky: 02:29:52but
Iydkmigththky: 02:30:35he is also the means by which the Illithids had been tracking him prior to their finding

Doomspire
myziar: 02:30:42hrmm?
Iydkmigththky: 02:30:49Droomspire even
myziar: 02:30:56waitaminute, so the illus is not an Illithid?
Iydkmigththky: 02:31:00yeah he is
myziar: 02:31:06boggle
Iydkmigththky: 02:31:14but Illusion is arcane magic
Iydkmigththky: 02:31:29ie foodthing magic
Iydkmigththky: 02:31:42Psionicists and Mindflayers
Iydkmigththky: 02:32:07view magic as a poor creatures crutch
Iydkmigththky: 02:32:16hence their distaste for one of their own that use it
Iydkmigththky: 02:32:37since psionics is so much more superior
myziar: 02:33:00then..
myziar: 02:33:08why would the Illus become an Illus?
Iydkmigththky: 02:33:17because it captured his interest
myziar: 02:33:27hah, okay.
Iydkmigththky: 02:33:44just because they are Illithids does not mean they aren't prone to curiosities of their own
Iydkmigththky: 02:34:08just it's viewed in Illithid society as poor white trash
myziar: 02:34:15nods.
[deleted an off-topic subject matter]
Iydkmigththky: 02:37:52getting back to the subject
myziar: 02:37:59okay.
Iydkmigththky: 02:38:00should you decide to help the illithids
myziar: 02:38:11illithid you mean
Iydkmigththky: 02:38:32you can persuade the burrow warden to part with his amulet by informing him of the Duergar

spy
Iydkmigththky: 02:38:37or you can just kill him for it
Iydkmigththky: 02:38:44but if you kill him for it you will have to fight your way out
myziar: 02:38:46hahaha, interesting!!
Iydkmigththky: 02:39:08and at the sametime
Iydkmigththky: 02:39:12you keep the Illithids secret
Iydkmigththky: 02:39:14and help them out
Iydkmigththky: 02:39:24which they reward you with probably what is the best item in the zone
Iydkmigththky: 02:39:33though I have yet to decide exactly what that is
myziar: 02:39:36um
myziar: 02:39:39it seems to me
myziar: 02:39:52that it's easier to help the illithids
myziar: 02:39:58rather than to help the other two?
myziar: 02:40:15what if, you got to kill the spy too
myziar: 02:40:18as a proof
myziar: 02:40:22of his being a spy
myziar: 02:41:14so you get the option of either killing the spy, or the warden.
myziar: 02:41:49to make the spy one harder
Iydkmigththky: 02:42:02well svirfneblin generally don't take to the killing of guests in their halls
Iydkmigththky: 02:42:12even if they ARE spies
Iydkmigththky: 02:42:28which is a fact that they are unaware of at present
Iydkmigththky: 02:42:51but you do have a point
Iydkmigththky: 02:42:54I was thinking
Iydkmigththky: 02:43:51how do you proove to the burrow warden of the duergars espionage
Iydkmigththky: 02:43:54without killing him
Iydkmigththky: 02:44:18the solution
Iydkmigththky: 02:44:34is to find proof of his corresponding with his contact in Graklstugh
Iydkmigththky: 02:44:44since psionic and magically communication is impossible within these walls
Iydkmigththky: 02:44:52you should find the answer in his diaries
myziar: 02:45:06but!!
Iydkmigththky: 02:45:09present the diary to the warden
myziar: 02:45:30make his diaries hidden at a place where there're HUGE traps please?
Iydkmigththky: 02:45:42well of course the desk will be traped
Iydkmigththky: 02:45:46by why is this such a concern?
Iydkmigththky: 02:45:59it'll probably be a sleep trap
Iydkmigththky: 02:46:07and if there's a way I can do it in di
Iydkmigththky: 02:46:09err DE
Iydkmigththky: 02:46:27I would like to make the Duergar Aggro to you upon the chest being broken into
myziar: 02:46:37it's still don't feel right that getting one of the best item in the zone(as you says) would be

easier then that..
Iydkmigththky: 02:46:50how is it easier
myziar: 02:46:57well consider this
Iydkmigththky: 02:47:01it's only easier in actuality
myziar: 02:47:04how do you help out those two?
Iydkmigththky: 02:47:07figuring all this out for the average player
Iydkmigththky: 02:47:13most players think in a linear fashion
Iydkmigththky: 02:47:20they think 1-2 then 3
Iydkmigththky: 02:47:22they don't think
myziar: 02:47:27nods
Iydkmigththky: 02:47:45what abou 1-2a-3a or 1-2b-3b or 1-2c-3c
Iydkmigththky: 02:48:15how do I help out which two?
Iydkmigththky: 02:48:23the other 2 illithids?
myziar: 02:48:38okay, then maybe make the entrance to the illithid's room be guarded by some aggro mobs? So players

will be disillusioneed of thinking that the illithid is aggro too
myziar: 02:48:39no
myziar: 02:48:49I mean, the warden and duergar
Iydkmigththky: 02:48:59that sounds good
Iydkmigththky: 02:49:12err but wait
Iydkmigththky: 02:49:16got to remember
myziar: 02:49:23and end up trying to kill the illithid(like the lizardman chieftain)
Iydkmigththky: 02:49:25the svirfneblin dislike killing within their walls
myziar: 02:49:37um, then again..
myziar: 02:49:46the svirfneblin are not themselves lately?
Iydkmigththky: 02:49:51true enough
Iydkmigththky: 02:49:52however
Iydkmigththky: 02:50:05the psionic influence on them is not so powerful to make them completely forget th eir ways
Iydkmigththky: 02:50:17the influence is subtle
Iydkmigththky: 02:50:39why does difficulty have to mean killing.
Iydkmigththky: 02:50:48don't forget you can exp in here just as easily by kiling them
Iydkmigththky: 02:51:05however you will cut yourself off from doing the quests if you do
Iydkmigththky: 02:51:26do you mind if I post this transcript on the areas board?
Iydkmigththky: 02:51:32well not the public one
myziar: 02:51:35yeah, on most of them. But there must be 2-3 tougher svirfneblin that the illithids took upon

themselves to charm, to protect them in case of an attack(like if they're discovered or something).
Iydkmigththky: 02:51:38the builders board
myziar: 02:51:58eh? um..sure, up to you.
Iydkmigththky: 02:52:02okay
Iydkmigththky: 02:52:11well actually I think I shall just send this transcript to ruo keth
Iydkmigththky: 02:52:22for maybe refining the idea a bit more or getting feedback
Iydkmigththky: 02:52:37Oh I agree with that part
Iydkmigththky: 02:52:56yes getting by the guards to the 'guests' chambers
Iydkmigththky: 02:53:09will require some subtlety
Iydkmigththky: 02:53:22Svirfneblin can't be bribed they are honourable creatures
Iydkmigththky: 02:54:07so regardless
Iydkmigththky: 02:54:10of which choice you make
myziar: 02:54:21somebody got to die!
myziar: 02:54:23HAHAHHAHAHAH!
Iydkmigththky: 02:54:27you will somehow need to get permission from the burrow warden to access the chambers
Iydkmigththky: 02:54:31without arrousing suspicion
myziar: 02:55:02hmmm...
myziar: 02:55:07oh, one question.
myziar: 02:55:41what IS the true motive of the illithids in coming there? I mean, besides hiding and all? What are

they planning to do?
myziar: 02:55:47um, 3 questions heh.
myziar: 02:57:15there must be a reason for them to be charming subtly the svirfneblin, not just because they want to

hide..
myziar: 02:57:54are they gonna command the svirfneblin to attack Ixarcon or something?
myziar: 02:58:35and why -are- the svirfneblin doing working too hard?
myziar: 02:58:49there must be a reason behind all that.
Iydkmigththky: 03:00:45well
Iydkmigththky: 03:01:01firstly
Iydkmigththky: 03:01:07do you know what Illithids eat?
myziar: 03:01:16other creatures?
Iydkmigththky: 03:01:23more specifically
Iydkmigththky: 03:01:40BRAINS
myziar: 03:01:49interesting
Iydkmigththky: 03:01:54okay
Iydkmigththky: 03:01:56now
Iydkmigththky: 03:02:21hence the need for mind a subtle mind control so as to dampen suspicion
myziar: 03:02:54but still
Iydkmigththky: 03:03:00they don't eat that much either also for the same reason
myziar: 03:03:04are they gonna hide there for the rest of their life?
Iydkmigththky: 03:03:18well as far as the mud is concerned yes!
Iydkmigththky: 03:03:19but
Iydkmigththky: 03:03:24I guess from a story point of view
Iydkmigththky: 03:03:24no
myziar: 03:03:37oh, okay.
Iydkmigththky: 03:03:51remember it is going to be both a midbie Exp AND quest zone
Iydkmigththky: 03:04:01you can't do both tho
Iydkmigththky: 03:04:08attacking the svirfneblin
Iydkmigththky: 03:04:37Lemme explain something else about the svirfneblin
myziar: 03:04:45nods.
Iydkmigththky: 03:04:50despite the fact that they are good and honourable
Iydkmigththky: 03:04:55they still need to survive
Iydkmigththky: 03:05:02and in order to survive they still need to carry on trade
Iydkmigththky: 03:05:10now
Iydkmigththky: 03:05:14besides the Svirfneblin
Iydkmigththky: 03:05:24what other creatures live in the underdark that manufacture tradeable items
myziar: 03:05:32um..
myziar: 03:05:35drows?
Iydkmigththky: 03:05:38who else
myziar: 03:06:11um, pechs?
myziar: 03:06:24kuo-toa?
myziar: 03:06:34trogoldytes?
Iydkmigththky: 03:06:34think current player races
Iydkmigththky: 03:06:38or former player races
myziar: 03:06:47dark dwarves?
Iydkmigththky: 03:06:51yes
Iydkmigththky: 03:06:55duergar dwarves,
Iydkmigththky: 03:07:02drow
Iydkmigththky: 03:07:04derro
Iydkmigththky: 03:07:08all evil
Iydkmigththky: 03:07:10so
Iydkmigththky: 03:07:16just because a player is evil
Iydkmigththky: 03:07:37will itself not be an excuse for the svirfneblin to go apeshit on the drow and duergar

players entering their warrens
Iydkmigththky: 03:07:48only
Iydkmigththky: 03:07:51and ONLY
Iydkmigththky: 03:08:07the only reason a svirfneblin will become aggressive
Iydkmigththky: 03:08:11is to defend his home
Iydkmigththky: 03:08:12so
Iydkmigththky: 03:08:17if the players want to exp there
Iydkmigththky: 03:08:28they can either do the quest and exp after
Iydkmigththky: 03:08:32or just exp and bog the quest
Iydkmigththky: 03:08:45however for purposes of fulfilling the quest
Iydkmigththky: 03:08:53attacking anything
Iydkmigththky: 03:09:02unless specifically prompted to
Iydkmigththky: 03:09:04thorugh the quest
Iydkmigththky: 03:09:14is highly inadvisable
myziar: 03:09:22um..
myziar: 03:09:26meaning,
myziar: 03:09:33that if you attack anything,
myziar: 03:09:40the whole town will aggro you?
Iydkmigththky: 03:09:57If I can make it so yes
Iydkmigththky: 03:10:07well not the whole town
myziar: 03:10:20um, I honestly had never seen that happen before,
Iydkmigththky: 03:10:29of course the duergar won't give a shit about the svirfneblin
myziar: 03:10:30so not sure if it's possible.
Iydkmigththky: 03:10:38not right now
myziar: 03:11:01oh?
Iydkmigththky: 03:11:06but perhaps some thing can be added to tell if any svirfneblin gnomes have been killed in the

zone..
Iydkmigththky: 03:11:08now
Iydkmigththky: 03:11:23if it's a grouped player
Iydkmigththky: 03:11:53I'm at a loss to consider whether or not the players entire party should suffer for the

stupidity of one person
myziar: 03:12:03they should!!
Iydkmigththky: 03:12:03or if just the person themselves should be aggro'd to
Iydkmigththky: 03:12:08perhaps
Iydkmigththky: 03:12:10perhaps not tho
myziar: 03:12:19then that person will die!! Getting purged!! HAHAHHA..
Iydkmigththky: 03:12:21remmember the svirfneblin are fair-minded nearly to a fault
myziar: 03:12:22um, seriously though
Iydkmigththky: 03:12:27yeah
Iydkmigththky: 03:12:31thats what I was thinking
Iydkmigththky: 03:12:38typical behavior for both drow and duergar
Iydkmigththky: 03:12:49while it encourages cruelty
Iydkmigththky: 03:12:54it does NOT tolerate stupidity
Iydkmigththky: 03:13:06so
Iydkmigththky: 03:13:20a group of 5 drows wandering into the zone wanting to complete the tquest
Iydkmigththky: 03:13:32say some idiot like Kenon goes postal
Iydkmigththky: 03:13:38and starts killing svirfneblin
Iydkmigththky: 03:13:44guards here the sounds and come running
Iydkmigththky: 03:13:48and he goes splat
Iydkmigththky: 03:14:03and the group continues on their merry way minus a stupid idiot
myziar: 03:14:03shake, would create probs if whole grroup aren't aggroed.
Iydkmigththky: 03:14:14I disagree
Iydkmigththky: 03:14:18what problems tho
Iydkmigththky: 03:14:37unless they decide to try to help him out of his stupidity
Iydkmigththky: 03:14:43DEFINITELY not in drow character
Iydkmigththky: 03:15:11got to remember most of these players are going to be evil
myziar: 03:15:25they could heal him while he's fighting the guards, stone him...buff him out. If he's a hitter, he

may be able to kill them all....then whole group gain exp
Iydkmigththky: 03:15:29it's not in their nature to help eachother out except insofar as it furthers their own

individual ambitions
myziar: 03:16:16well, there are other probs, just this one I could think off the top of my head
myziar: 03:16:27this is not an RP mud.
myziar: 03:16:31Friends will help each other
myziar: 03:16:38regardless of their char.
Iydkmigththky: 03:19:48that's the thing tho
Iydkmigththky: 03:19:50you understand
Iydkmigththky: 03:19:56that the design of the mud is changing
Iydkmigththky: 03:20:08the large portion of the reason we split off from duris
Iydkmigththky: 03:20:15is because everything was too PvP centric
Iydkmigththky: 03:20:21and there will STILL be a place for pvp
Iydkmigththky: 03:20:35but we want to also create a believable atmosphere
Iydkmigththky: 03:20:44so yes
Iydkmigththky: 03:20:52you can pretty much do anything you want
Iydkmigththky: 03:21:11but don't expect violence to be the complete main way to get the best eq all the time
Iydkmigththky: 03:21:15hack and slash is fine
Iydkmigththky: 03:21:22but there's nothing wrong with a little rp
Iydkmigththky: 03:21:33people should actually read the story and be interested
Iydkmigththky: 03:21:36and not only that
Iydkmigththky: 03:21:40but it should cause them to THINK
Iydkmigththky: 03:21:48hey if this guys the burrow warden
Iydkmigththky: 03:21:54and I attack his soldiers
Iydkmigththky: 03:21:58what's he gonna do?
Iydkmigththky: 03:22:02duh?
Iydkmigththky: 03:22:20as far as friends helping eachother
Iydkmigththky: 03:22:29many times I've been in a zone where some idiot kills the quest mob
Iydkmigththky: 03:22:37and the group follows up by killing HIM
Iydkmigththky: 03:23:02that's the thing
Iydkmigththky: 03:23:12it's a mid-level exp zone but there are quests inside
Iydkmigththky: 03:23:18if you kill the quest mobs or their buddies
Iydkmigththky: 03:23:29they are probably not going to want to help you very much
Iydkmigththky: 03:23:30howevre
Iydkmigththky: 03:23:33i was thinking
Iydkmigththky: 03:23:40if you help the duergar destroy the illithids
Iydkmigththky: 03:23:53and you kill the svirfneblins for xp
Iydkmigththky: 03:24:06seems to me
Iydkmigththky: 03:24:21that it's simpler to do the burrow wardens aspect or the duergars aspect
Iydkmigththky: 03:24:29than to help the illithids get what they want
Iydkmigththky: 03:24:42the idea behind the quest is not to make it complex
Iydkmigththky: 03:25:08I will write the desriptions to the quests in such a way that it will provide the player with

enough information by which he or she can draw their own judgements
Iydkmigththky: 03:25:45the idea behind the quests is to provide an atmosphere of story and believability
Iydkmigththky: 03:26:05and perhaps to inform to a smaller extent
Iydkmigththky: 03:26:29so to quest or not to quest is completely optional
Iydkmigththky: 03:26:32for example bloodstone
Iydkmigththky: 03:26:36theres tons of quests in that place
Iydkmigththky: 03:26:47but often times people just go their to get quick exp or eq
myziar: 03:27:32hrmm...well, okay...I was getting real sleepy atm, so when I'm sleepy I couldn't think
properly....but okay, I agree with you. That's true.
Iydkmigththky: 03:27:40the UD tho is going to be a very harsh and demanding environment though
Iydkmigththky: 03:27:42okay
Iydkmigththky: 03:27:48well thanks for the conversation
myziar: 03:27:58shake, nahh..I could hold on I think.
Iydkmigththky: 03:28:00I will be posting most of this to the builder discussion forum
Iydkmigththky: 03:28:03nah
Iydkmigththky: 03:28:08both of us need sleep soon
Iydkmigththky: 03:28:16you've helped me alot with this
myziar: 03:28:30let's continue in the morning okay?
Iydkmigththky: 03:28:33you've asked some good questions I hadn't had immediate answers to
Iydkmigththky: 03:28:37and u made me think about it
Iydkmigththky: 03:28:38okay
Iydkmigththky: 03:28:54gonna post this for reference on builders forum