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So I've been working on something for a while, but first a little backstory.

In the Greyhawk community, one of the major resources is a file known as the Encyclopedia Greyhawkia.  This was a PDF created by a guy named Jason Zavoda some years ago, that indexed every NPC, location, group, event - essentially every proper noun in Greyhawk, from every published source.  It was a huge piece of work, and I found it quite handy for my Greyhawk work.  In Planescape, there's been plenty of resources for finding information on a topic; this site's Planar Encyclopedia was and is a big one for me.  But I never found something that really gave the same level of indexing to the original sources.  So I decided to make one myself.

It's still a work in progress, admittedly.  Right now, I only have 5 works indexed out of about 40 Planescape publications and who knows how many Dragon and Dungeon articles and works from other settings with heavy planar content.  However, I thought I'd link what I have so far, just to see what the public reaction is, and see if anyone has any suggestions on it or whatnot.  It should be fairly self-explanatory in format.

Anyway, here's the file: Planescape Full Index   Any feedback would be appreciated.

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Just bumping this because, although I never finished it before, I've been somewhat bored recently and I've picked the project back up. I've added about 4 or 5 works since I let things drop off with it around April; it's up to 11 total, with Faces of Sigil in progress at the moment.

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Bump noticed. I will check it out when I get a little more free time than right this moment. Eye-wink I like the idea - even if it is grand in scope. I like those ones. Sticking out tongue XD
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Okay, wow - nice work so far. Looks like a lot of work... Do all of these books have indexes inside them to make your work easier, or are you forced to look manually for some of these?

Just realized that there is a being named Absalom, which is also the name for the 'City at the center of the world' in Pathfinder's Golarion - neat coincidence.
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xidoraven wrote:
Okay, wow - nice work so far. Looks like a lot of work... Do all of these books have indexes inside them to make your work easier, or are you forced to look manually for some of these?

Just realized that there is a being named Absalom, which is also the name for the 'City at the center of the world' in Pathfinder's Golarion - neat coincidence.
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Some of them have indexes, but I don't use it just to make sure the indexers didn't miss something. Everything's done by hand.

Also, I think both are actually named after the biblical figure (it'd make sense to name a celestial that, at least), but I'm not sure why that name was chosen for the Golarion city. (And thanks for reminding me why that name sounded so familiar to me.)

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Bumping this after over three years to say that the first phase of the index is now complete: I've finished indexing every single product in the Planescape main line as of yesterday. Next steps from here would include indexing the Planescape novels, Torment, any relevant Dragon or Dungeon articles, and selected relevant 3e and 3.5 books, but for now I'm pretty happy to have finally finished it this far. Laughing out loud

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...holy cowser, my hearty congratulations for this feat.

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I just figured it was a good way to help out for anyone running or writing Planescape stuff Laughing out loud

Edit: some statistics from it:

  • 2404 named NPCs.
  • 254 cities, towns, or villages.
  • 533 deities.
  • 283 divine realms.
  • 417 inns, temples, or other buildings, 129 in Sigil alone. (And of those 129, 65 of them are taverns)
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Very useful

is this the same index http://www.rilmani.org/psIndex.txt ?

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Oh, I forgot I'd been uploading it there too; it's supposed to be, but that's an old copy. I'll need to set up a redirect or something.

Edit: Okay, they are the same thing now. Thanks for the reminder about that one!

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Great Stuff, and thanks a lot for the work you did.

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Next steps from here would include indexing the Planescape novels, Torment, any relevant Dragon or Dungeon articles, and selected relevant 3e and 3.5 books,

Oh - indexing Torment is something I would only consider if being paid very well. So much text and not even ordered as nicely as in books. Eye-wink

There are some other official AD&D-Products I would see as important sources for the (AD&D)-planes.

A short look into my collection reveals the following:

- Warriors of Heaven (plus the free "Devil's Deal" adventure, which was published on the WotC-website)
- Guide to Hell
- The Vortex of Madness and other Planar Perils
- A Paldin in Hell

All four books were released when Planescape already had been canceled, afaik. I guess at least the first three would have been Planescape-products otherwise.

- Manual of the Planes
- Tales from the Outer Planes

While pre-Planescape, those are still official AD&D sources of the planes.

- For Duty and Deity

Marked as an Forgotten Realms adventure but set in the Abyss. And even if possible to use seperately, it was developed for use with TIS, so it was planed as kind of FR/PS-crossover.

- Die Vecna Die

*quickly teleporting away for naming this one*
but anyway: while the story is far from canon, the descriptions might be useful

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Oh, very good suggestions; I've got the non-Planescape 2e stuff on my list too, but I actually had forgotten about Vortex of Madness and the pre-Planescape works. I know that some of the post-Planescape planar products were questionable in varying ways, but it's still worth adding them for certain. Die Vecna Die especially; I know it's derided, and rightly so I'll admit, but I've got a soft spot for it. The only question is how I'm going to index it; if I'm going to give it a full indexing, or come up with some rubric to restrict to only Planescape things in particular.

And yes, Torment is going to be something of a bear to go through and ensure I don't miss anything, but it has some good lore elements to it that definitely make it worthwhile. I can get a searchable/browseable text dump via that Infinity Engine utility easy enough, at least, but the other question is how to key entries. I ought to go back and see if/how Zavoda included the ToEE PC game in Encyclopedia Greyhawkia, see if I can do something like what he did if anything.

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Do you plan to put d20 and AD&D-sources into one list, or do you split it up?

Here some more ideas for AD&D:

- Warriors in Heaven has two web-enhancements, the adventure I named in my last post and a bonus-race.

You (and everyone else who is interested) can found both of them here:
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/we/20010327a
(If the direct link does not work, just search the side for "warriors of heaven")

- Pre-PS Monster Manuals, especially the "Outer Planes Index"

- Dark Sun Adventure "Black Spine":
One of the lesser known (partly) planar adventures, Black Spine takes the party to a Githyanki outpost within the Astral.

If you add Crossover-Adventures (Paldin in Hell, Vecna, Black Spine, Duty & Deity etc.) to the index, you should only include the "Planescape"-part of it. Noting the portal (and key) in the material plane might be fine, but indexing Vecnas realm in Ravenloft is not needed for planescape reference.

There are lots of planar references in non-PS novels as well. For example "Prince of Lies" describes some of the residences of FR-gods in the planes.
But I guess this would lead way to much. Unlike a material plane like Greyhawk the planes are in the background all of the time and you will most likely never get all references.

Btw., there was the Bloodwars CCG. While I have never played it, there is a book showing all cards that were ever printed for the game. And there might be complete cardlists on the internet. (While not showing the pictures they are all that's needed to index the cards.)

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The question with that, though, is how exactly do you define the Planescape part of something? Take Vecna's realm in Ravenloft, for example; by a strict definition, it's not part of Planescape, true. But part of the purpose in mind for the index was to better help people writing articles or pieces on elements of Planescape. And if someone's writing on Vecna, for example, having his Ravenloft realm keyed could be helpful.

There's obviously some boundary line, sure: random NPCs in a non-Planescape product that live on the Prime and have never set foot on the planes are definitely out. Kingdoms or cities mentioned in a non-Planescape product should probably be out unless they're especially significant. But I think I want the border of the greyer areas a bit further from the core than you.

My standard for keying things was basically this: I keyed a mention of something if it gave some element of information for which someone looking up that thing might want or need to know in order to give them better insight. For example, I didn't key literally every single time "baatezu" was mentioned at all, only those times something was mentioned _about_ the baatezu. If someone said something was "as hot as Gehenna", I didn't key that sentence for Gehenna. And I think that's the basic standard I should carry over for indexing crossover products with a brief alteration: I'll key a mention of something if it is planar, or if it seems likely that someone working in planar things may have some chance of wanting to look it up in the future, and if it gave some element etc. etc.

On the d20 vs. AD&D, yeah, they'll all be in the same list. I figure if someone wants to restrict themselves to purely one or the other, they can just not look up some of the entries in other books.

Thanks for the comment about Black Spine, I actually hadn't heard of that one before. I'll add it to my source list!

Non-Planescape novels I actually hadn't thought on at all. That's a conundrum I hadn't considered, and you're right that for the most part probably not. But for books that have a significant amount of detail that could feasibly be relevant to someone some time...yeah, I think I ought include that. (Does remind me that I definitely need to add Tymora's Luck to my source list, at least, though; I'd forgotten about that one.)

And the Bloodwars CCG...I'm hesitant, because the only reason I'd have to key those informationally would be the art, and most of the art from Bloodwars was from existing products anyway. But I've gone both ways on it in my head, and I suppose for the sake of completion it wouldn't hurt; realistically there isn't _that_ much work to go through, after all, compared to a lot of stuff. Just a single "image of" entry for each card.

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Sorry for the double post, but a question for folks here: I actually happen to own a copy of "Needle in the Eye", the planar RPGA adventure that _isn't_ "Manxome Foe", the one written to go along with Guide to Hell. Should I key it? On one hand, it's definitively a planar product, there's no question about crossover with it. On the other...no one would be able to _use_ those keys. There aren't even scans of the adventure online as far as I'm aware.

My completionist instincts are leaning very heavily towards "yes do it", and it's only 16 pages so it wouldn't even be a ton of work, but I'd love to entertain opposing views on it if anyone has them.

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As a fellow completionist, I know the Itch That Must Be Scratched. Do it. :^)

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