Pathfinder's Summoner Class on the Planes

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Pathfinder's Summoner Class on the Planes

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Eidolon: A summoner begins play with the ability to summon to his side a powerful outsider called an eidolon. The eidolon forms a link with the summoner, who, forever after, summons an aspect of the same creature. An eidolon has the same alignment as the summoner that calls it and can speak all of his languages. (...)

You can read more about the Summoner class, and their Eidolon class feature, here on the Pathfinder SRD. For the purpose of this discussion, however, the quoted sections should suffice.

Anyway, so the Summoner's Eidolon is an outsider, and the summoner is summoning "an aspect" of it. The details of the outsider and the aspect can be left up to the player, and in a game set on the Prime Material are unlikely to impact the functionality of the class/ability. In a game where the Summoner is exploring the planes, though, this seems like a really interesting thing to focus a section of the game on.

If the summoner meets the actual outsider, face-to-face, what kind of impact could this have on their ability to summon "an aspect" of it?

If the player decides that the outsider is a native of, say, Arborea, can they still summon "an aspect" of it while on Arborea? What if they're on the inner planes? What kinds of items would you use for a Spell Key-type equivalent for summoning an Eidolon? A possession of the actual Outsider?

I don't know, I feel like a Summoner in a Planescape game is a super interesting premise, and I want to know what you guys think? What cool things would you do? I want to talk about the possibilities, here!

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The eidolon is sort of this weird mix of extraplanar creature and the summoner's imagination itself. I kinda like the idea of them not being tied to one traditional plane, but some sort of loose planar stuff that the summoner bends and molds with his will. Maybe they draw on specific planes for specific things (angelic eidolons have Celestia-stuff, animal eidolons have Beastlands-stuff), but I'm not sure there's a physical original of the eidolon out there on the planes to visit.

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I played and will still be playing a crazy Gnome Summoner of a CG alignment whose Eidolon was a friendly purple tentacle monster from some place that's a lot like the Far Realm. Who was completely based off of the one on the left who I picked up one day. A lot of the jokes would be on how the Eidolon speaks his own dialect of Aklo which sounds a lot like "weee wee waa waa waki" and the fact that when he goes to his home plane he has to deal with his wife and his 37 children. And we started the campaign back when Summoners and all the APC classes were in beta.

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Tim4488 wrote:
The eidolon is sort of this weird mix of extraplanar creature and the summoner's imagination itself. I kinda like the idea of them not being tied to one traditional plane, but some sort of loose planar stuff that the summoner bends and molds with his will. Maybe they draw on specific planes for specific things (angelic eidolons have Celestia-stuff, animal eidolons have Beastlands-stuff), but I'm not sure there's a physical original of the eidolon out there on the planes to visit.

I'm not certain that the Eidolon necessarily is, or has to be, a creature or manifestation of the summoner's imagination. That is definitely one way a player could choose to approach it, especially if they were making a Sign of One summoner. But, I don't think that the class states anywhere that the outsider the summoner is summoning is anything less than completely real and an outsider with its own body and presence.

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That's fair and totally true. And I should have mentioned, I also like to think different summoners are probably pulling on different actual things to achieve similar-ish effects. That's just my personal interpretation of perhaps the most common method, in my worlds.

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