Orcs vs. Hobgoblins (was: Otaki)

I thought we'd divide up the topics at this point. There's some controversy over how to separate the two and I gave my own version of the Orcs (I realized that I forgot to C&P in the Motmurk parts)

Here's my take on the matter...

Hobgoblins:

Like I said, I think it's important to represent that the Hobgoblins are the *quote* *unquote* Bad Guys in the Government. Orcs are really just another race in Ortho and have moved out of their role as the ancient bersekers of their past. Hobgoblins...haven't.

The Harmonium's worst impulses are fed by the Hobgoblins. If you need a "Signature NPC" for Hobgoblins, then you'll have a Warhawk General who thinks that we need to invade more worlds and let the gods sort them out.

The Harmonium DOESN'T do this but the Hobgoblins would be perfectly happy to do this. They don't really CARE who they fight but they love battle and conquest.

They get by in the Harmonium because they're OUR war hungry psychopaths. However, they play the Harmonium's game solely because it's a chance to bust heads. If there's ANY group that says "You know, why DO people care that we wiped out the Gnomes/Halflings/Elves/Pixies?" It's the Waffen-Hobgoblins.

They're BAD bad people. The worst the Harmonium has to offer. Unlike Orcs who are just People.

I think it's good to have Hobgoblins manning the Stalinist Camps and plenty of other areas where the OCA has questionale policies. They're fine with it. That's why I had so many Hobgoblins in South Thaera. Honestly, I'm a little disappointed I had to soften them.

However, I think it's also a mistake to marginalize them because they're evil too because the Hobgoblins WANT to be on the front lines. There's a Signature Quote from the Battle of the Bulge movie that summarizes how Hobgoblins think.

Col. Martin Hessler: Our column has made the farthest advance! We have outrun the other Panzers! The eyes of Germany are on us! The Fuhrer himself will decorate me. We have done it Conrad! We have done it!
Cpl. Conrad: Then I was wrong. We have won the war.
Col. Martin Hessler: No.
Cpl. Conrad: You mean we have lost?
Col. Martin Hessler: No.
Cpl. Conrad: I don't understand. If we have not won, and we have not lost, than what is happening?
Col. Martin Hessler: The best thing possible is happening - the war will go on.
Cpl. Conrad: For how long?
Col. Martin Hessler: Indefinitely. On, and on, and on!
Cpl. Conrad: But it must come to an end.
Col. Martin Hessler: You're a fool Conrad. Those of us who understood knew in 1941 that we could never win.
Cpl. Conrad: You mean Colonel for three years we have been fighting without any hope of victory?
Col. Martin Hessler: There are many kinds of victory. For the German Army to survive, for us to remain in uniform - that is our victory. Conrad, the world is not going to get rid of us after all.
Cpl. Conrad: But, when do we go home?
Col. Martin Hessler: This is our home.
Cpl. Conrad: And my sons? When do I see them? What will become of them?
Col. Martin Hessler: They will become German soldiers, and you will be proud of them.

They're also very "modern."

Orcs

I tend to think that the Hobgoblins are very modern while most Orcs harken back to their ancient "Barbarian" past as a matter of pride. They're a bunch of primitive warriors that have been forced into civilization by the Harmonium. In general, the ones who have assimilated most have lost most of what made their culture great while those who have assimiliated least are treated as pariahs in the Harmonium.

The Hobgoblins are evil, plain and simple, while the Orcs are a lot more like Tribalism's victims and they're people who haven't benefited very much from their die hard service to the OCA. Instead, they largely have been chewed up and spat out.

They have Motmurk but that's not really the shiningest example of Ortho prosperity in the world, is it?

Just my take.