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Can be found at: /encyclopedia/index.php

The idea is that I want to provide a place where someone can just get their feet wet on a subject. For newbies, or people who've just got shoddy memories. You don't want to know how often I have to look up what the sub-species of baatazu are. Some of the really basic information on planar subjects can be difficult to find if you don't have a book on hand.

Hence, I've put together something searchable and simple on planewalker to allow us to provide that ability to really quickly look something up. All I need is some folks to help me fill in the blanks.

Those who are interested should drop me a line, PM, AIM, or this thread. So you know, I'm looking for people who show the following:

1) an established knowledge of planescape
2) a basic level of maturity / reliablity
3) at least a passing familarity with the concepts of grammar and spelling

These are entries for reference to *canon* material only guys - think of it like a barebones wiki. It's just a reference source, so there's no need to get fancy about it.

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Any chance of making it a wiki?

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It's pretty close to one already, I've got a little closer eye on the content of it just in case something goes wrong - but the basic idea is still the same.

What sort of thing were you looking for in this case? Making it so a forum account automatically gives the power to edit an entry?

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What sort of thing were you looking for in this case? Making it so a forum account automatically gives the power to edit an entry?

That might help it go faster than relying entirely on one or two people to fill it up. And if one person forgets something, makes a mistake, or is a little unclear, another person can quickly fill in the gap.

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I hope you're not thinking of an open content wiki...The next thing you know, Kylie the Tout's entry will claim that she's having an affair with Zadara, that Rhys's aides are padding her accomplishments and that the Great Upheavel never happened, while people complain that the love/hate play A'kin and Shemeska has an entry twice as long as Asmodeus's Eye-wink ...
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Ah, no - I'm not planning on things being completely uneditted no Smiling This is intented as the reliable encyclopedia. More.. creative entries should go under My Planewalker. Cool

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I hope you're not thinking of an open content wiki...

I hope she is! That would be more fun.

Plus, things can always be fixed by other users.

(I like wikis).

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I too like wikis...I was apparently just trying to make a humorous comment on this project by making up some possible misuses of an open content wiki similar to those wikipedia has recently had...Apparently not too humorous...
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Hm? Naw - one thing I miss often is sarcasm or humor of that kind actually. I don't know why but I literally have a difficult time recognizing it. Eye-wink And I've was answering in a rush - gaming today. Loads of undead (yay...). Undead tannarri at That.

In either case, I'm working on revising it for a little better use. If we're going to have anyone/everyone be able to help out with it then I need to tighten the security on it just a little more to make sure I can get control of it if someone goes a little barmy on it.

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Ok. I've revised it once more and now everyone should be able to access and edit things - let's see how well we can handle a wiki, hm? (Here's to hoping people treat it with respect, eh? Eye-wink)

You can also sign up to receive notices regarding things people looked for and weren't able to find - allowing you to quickly fill in things that are needed by our searchers.

Please sign up if you want to be heavily involved in this project! That way you get first pick of the entries that need to get filled up!

Sign up by going to: /encyclopedia/index.php and clicking the button to join.

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I think that monsters like the Howler, Arcanoloth, the fiends & etc. Should be put in with a short description of how they work in Planescape and a refrence to which books they are found in, preferably both for 2e, 3e, & 3.5e.

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If you want to put them in - then go right ahead.

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I was taking a look at the Encyclopedia entries an I noticed that on the 'T' page it lists- the Abyss, the Multiverse and the Rule of Threes...I think these would be better placed on the 'A', 'M' and 'R' pages respectively...Also, if the Rule of Threes is included, so should the Unity of Rings (on the lonely 'U' page)...
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Then go change them - you've got the power to rename the entries. Eye-wink

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Its gonna take a while for this "Wiki" concept to catch on, eh Clue? Eye-wink

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Ok, wow Smiling

I fugured since I hadn't gotten any requests to fulfill entries that people just weren't interested in it... then I wander over there today and what'd'ya know - loads of entries in the thing! *grins widely*

Looks like people are actually using and working in it! Thank you all! Smiling

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Ha, Ha, Ha...A'kin has a better publicist than Shemeshka...While Shemmie's entry in the Encyclopedia has been lingering/languishing in No-entry-has-been-created-yet-for-this-subject Hell for weeks, A'kin's entry has appeared and been detailed in one day...You'd think with all the Marauder's fans out there, it would have been Shemmie detailed first...All hail the Friendly Fiend, Sigil's favorite 'loth Eye-wink ...
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'kwint' wrote:
Ha, Ha, Ha...A'kin has a better publicist than Shemeshka...While Shemmie's entry in the Encyclopedia has been lingering/languishing in No-entry-has-been-created-yet-for-this-subject Hell for weeks, A'kin's entry has appeared and been detailed in one day...You'd think with all the Marauder's fans out there, it would have been Shemmie detailed first...All hail the Friendly Fiend, Sigil's favorite 'loth Eye-wink ... Kwint

I've kind of been waiting for a certain Mr. Stewart to do her, but we could just cut and paste a few paragraphs from the Cutters entry. I guess I'll do that. I mean, I could summarize her in my own words, but it's a matter of decorum.

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Ha, Ha, Ha...A'kin has a better publicist than Shemeshka...While Shemmie's entry in the Encyclopedia has been lingering/languishing in No-entry-has-been-created-yet-for-this-subject Hell for weeks, A'kin's entry has appeared and been detailed in one day...You'd think with all the Marauder's fans out there, it would have been Shemmie detailed first...All hail the Friendly Fiend, Sigil's favorite 'loth Eye-wink ... Kwint

I've kind of been waiting for a certain Mr. Stewart to do her...


That was kinda the point of the post, well one anyway...I guess I also feel A'kin gets short shrift (?) on the boards...I always liked him, my favorite planewalker got a Katana of the Planes from him once, so he's aces in my book Laughing out loud ...

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...but we could just cut and paste a few paragraphs from the Cutters entry. I guess I'll do that. I mean, I could summarize her in my own words, but it's a matter of decorum.
If ya want to, seems Shemmie Stewart's a little slow on the uptake... Eye-wink

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Yeah... for some reason he doesn't hang out on these boards as much as I'd think he would. Apparently he just doesn't like me well enough or somethin'... Eye-wink

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Yeah... for some reason he doesn't hang out on these boards as much as I'd think he would. Apparently he just doesn't like me well enough or somethin'... Eye-wink
Ya, you might want to rethink that relationship, I mean if he's not gonna support you on something that you two, apparently, should have in common, what's gonna happen when you need support on something completely un-Planescape related Eye-wink ... Kwint

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If ya want to, seems Shemmie Stewart's a little slow on the uptake... Eye-wink

Nah, I've just been doing entries in the 'cyclopedia as I get notifications on them, and a few on the side when I browsed it the other day. I just haven't, for whatever reason, been of mind to add anything for various 'loths, namesake or otherwise.

Oh, and because it's warrented I suppose... *public fit of rage*

*grin*

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I've noticed that the non-proper nouns and other non-nouns are slowly being converted to lower case...Why is this?...If this is a encyclopedia, then, at the very least, the first word of an entry should be upper case as it is in a traditional encyclopedia, or on wikipedia...
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'kwint' wrote:
I've noticed that the non-proper nouns and other non-nouns are slowly being converted to lower case...Why is this?...If this is a encyclopedia, then, at the very least, the first word of an entry should be upper case as it is in a traditional encyclopedia, or on wikipedia... Kwint

It occured to me that in a dictionary, only proper nouns are capitalized. Our encyclopedia serves that role as well.

Besides, it wouldn't be a wiki without a revert war.

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I've noticed that the non-proper nouns and other non-nouns are slowly being converted to lower case...Why is this?...If this is a encyclopedia, then, at the very least, the first word of an entry should be upper case as it is in a traditional encyclopedia, or on wikipedia... Kwint

It occured to me that in a dictionary, only proper nouns are capitalized. Our encyclopedia serves that role as well.

Besides, it wouldn't be a wiki without a revert war.

It's not a dictionary, it's an encyclopedia...It's on, oh yes, it's on...
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Threat: But if it continues without a CAPITALIZED VICTORY, it will be more than capitalization that will change across the ENCYCLOPEDIA...(not really)

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It's not a dictionary, it's an encyclopedia...

The parts that define cant terms are clearly a dictionary, and I think better served by that format. Figuring out which words to capitalize is kind of a problem among Planescapers.

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Threat: But if it continues without a CAPITALIZED VICTORY, it will be more than capitalization that will change across the ENCYCLOPEDIA...

You can change whatever you want, of course, as long as you don't start blanking entries or spamming.

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It's not a dictionary, it's an encyclopedia...

The parts that define cant terms are clearly a dictionary, and I think better served by that format. Figuring out which words to capitalize is kind of a problem among Planescapers.


Then the words should be used in the definition/explanation to show whether the word is proper or not...

If it's a dictionary, there should be pronunciation, type of grammar and word root as well as an example of usage. You might add synonyms and antonyms.

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If it's a dictionary, there should be pronunciation, type of grammar and word root as well as an example of usage. You might add synonyms and antonyms.

If you want to put those in, go for it. I'm sure they'd be helpful.

I have been including examples of usage.

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If it's a dictionary, there should be pronunciation, type of grammar and word root as well as an example of usage. You might add synonyms and antonyms.

If you want to put those in, go for it. I'm sure they'd be helpful.

I have been including examples of usage.


You're the one who wants to make the ENCYCLOPEDIA of the Planes into a dictionary...I'm happy with a capitalized entry ENCYCLOPEDIA...I'm just saying if you want to make it a dictionary, you should do it right, not by half-measures...If it only were a dictionary, which, of course, it is not 'cause it's an ENCYCLOPEDIA, just look at the top of its page...Maybe you could convince Clueless to start up a Dictionary of the Planes and then you can have your itty-bitty lower case words...
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It's not about whether it's an encyclopedia or a dictionary, it's just about what I thought would be most helpful. You're much too excited about this.

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It's not about whether it's an encyclopedia or a dictionary...
That, certainly, is your opinion, which you are more than welcome to...

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...it's just about what I thought would be most helpful.
Undoubtedly...It's just that I like consistency and if something is called an encyclopedia, it should be in the form of an encyclopedia...

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You're much too excited about this.
Yes, I am excited, excited about this project, now that it appears that the Ortho project is dead save for what Clueless puts up on the boards... Kwint

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...
*worried stare*
God I hope you people are being sarcastic. I can't tell sometimes.

Re: Ortho - I don't think that's it's dead kwint, so much as people are tired. The writers have gotten drained for a few months now, they'll get back into it once the ideas resurface.

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That, certainly, is your opinion, which you are more than welcome to...

Thank you.

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Yes, I am excited, excited about this project, now that it appears that the Ortho project is dead save for what Clueless puts up on the boards... Kwint

Ortho's not dead. Patience...

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... *worried stare* God I hope you people are being sarcastic. I can't tell sometimes.
Kinda...but, not really... Kwint

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... *worried stare* God I hope you people are being sarcastic.

I don't know if "sarcastic" is the right word, but I'm not taking this seriously. I thought the idea of a capitalization revert war was hilarious.

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I thought the idea of a capitalization revert war was hilarious.
I thought it was tiresome, literally...Having* to change Hordling and Sect back to capital letters four or five times over a two hour period is pretty tiresome...I actually really do feel that if the damn thing is called an encyclopedia, it should be in the form of an encyclopedia...Maybe that makes me a stuck-in-the-mud, but that's how I feel... Kwint

*I guess I didn't have to, I chose to; It's the Hardhead in me (just trying to be true to my avatar and appellation namesake)...

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Sorry, some of it's bad vibes from a mud I run - I see stuff like this blow up so often and then... *really* blow up. To the point where it gets pretty ugly all around and people start leaving over what - in essence, is really mundane silly stuff.

Re: capitalization - does it truly *matter*? I see no reason to duplicate the code to create a separate dictionary where the exact same information is going to be seen. Useage (especially for cant related entries) is a valueable thing. Otherwise, while I generally have a low opinion of the world thanks to working a help desk, I don't think the average population of the world is so dim that they wouldn't understand that wiki's are put together by multiple folks and not everyone has the same writing style.

We've got a wiki - which isn't exactly the same thing as a dictionary *or* as an encylopedia.

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We've got a wiki - which isn't exactly the same thing as a dictionary *or* as an encylopedia.
I'm not sure what this means, but my whole point, in a nutshell, is that the first word in the Title of any given entry should be capitalized, something that is easy to do and easy to change if it isn't capitalized...The rest of the entry I could give a toss about, as long as it's correct...Oh, and for entries which have both a singular and plural, it would be good if both singular and plural were in the keywords...I've been trying to include these in entries I come across that don't... Kwint

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Thank you, re: the singular and plural. It's something folks tend to miss when they create an entry or if the entry is auto-generated by a search then chances are good it won't have it.

The wiki is intended as a guide, to give people a quick and easy way to look up basic facts about the setting without hunting through three million entries that don't answer the question. It's also intended to be friendly to update, because otherwise none but the most obsessive will (that's just how the net works - people follow the path of least resistance). So, I'm hesitant to put a whole lot of "you must do this, this, that, oh and this too while you're at it" sort of rules on the entries that will chase people away from jotting things down.

I *can* automate capitilization (or automate non-capitilization for that matter) but that will negate situations where one or the other would actually be preferred. So, I'd rather leave that in the hands of humans who tend to know better what's needed than a computer does.

On the one hand we have the arguement that things need to look like an encylcopedia entry does, or like Wikipedia does. Why? Does it pretty much boil down to precedence?

On the other we have the request to have things look like a dictionary, which is only proper nouns capitalized. Can I hear a reason why?

And if anyone else wants to chime in on either side - I'd like to hear from them too. Currently I'm undecided between the two, but it looks like we need to figure out a fwe formating guidelines for this thing right?

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I think you answered this one yourself Clueless. It comes down to precedence, and when it comes to making precedence in creating an encyclopedia of the planes, we do what we like.

I think it will find a format that all can agree upon on itself.

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Oh, and for entries which have both a singular and plural, it would be good if both singular and plural were in the keywords...

Yeah, I noticed you kept putting singular versions in entries after I deleted them. That's not really necessary. If someone searches for "arcanaloth" and the keyword says "arcanaloths," the arcanaloth entry is going to show up because "arcanaloths" has the word "arcanaloth" in it.

For the same reason, you don't need to duplicate words in the keyword section. If the same entry has "knight of the post" and "knight of the cross-trade," the keywords only have to say "knight of the post cross-trade" and both will show up.

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All I can say is that the glossary in the back of the Planewalker's Handbook follows the formula I suggest, as does wikipedia and other encyclopedias...I see that somebody has decided to change things back to lower-case already after two folks have replied to Clueless's post, so do whatever y'all want to do, I'm not gonna go through and change every entry day after day...I just think it looks far better capitalized and follows tradition of these sorts of things, that is things called encyclopedias...I wash my hands of the whole process...
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Funk & Wagnall's and the World Book Encyclopedia write entries in all caps, so there's actually three traditions.

1. ALL CAPS.
2. First letter capitalized.
3. only proper nouns.

The third option seems more useful to me, and I think looks just as good.

Anyone else want to weigh in on a preference?

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Yeah, I noticed you kept putting singular versions in entries after I deleted them. That's not really necessary. If someone searches for "arcanaloth" and the keyword says "arcanaloths," the arcanaloth entry is going to show up because "arcanaloths" has the word "arcanaloth" in it.

For the same reason, you don't need to duplicate words in the keyword section. If the same entry has "knight of the post" and "knight of the cross-trade," the keywords only have to say "knight of the post cross-trade" and both will show up.


I did not know that...I take it that you don't have to seperate words in the keyword section by commas, either...
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Nopes - the keywords are stored as a single string that the search looks through for a match on the substring. Commas would just make it look neater is all. Plural forms and singular forms listed are mostly useful for words that have irregular forms: mouse, mice for example.

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Plural forms and singular forms listed are mostly useful for words that have irregular forms: mouse, mice for example.
Ya, I just added chaosman to Chaosmen... Kwint

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Is there a way to have exact matches (of the Title searched for) appear at the top of the page after a search, with related terms following it instead of amongst the mass of keyword matches?...
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I'll try to work that into the search system revision I'm working on. Relevancy rankings and all. Don't expect any progres on it till at least Monday. (Sunday = Planescape gameday)

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*gets overwhelemed by entries*

HOw many people are working on this? I have like...20 entries to do! Laughing out loud

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I've added, augmented or edited for grammar and spelling lots of 'em, not sure how many...

I have been reading through some of 'em and have some questions concerning their content...They are:

1) Planewalker's Guild: They're a sect?...I thought they were based on the Infinite Staircase, but the entry for them says they're based in the Lower Ward?...Is this correct/something new?

2) Communals: I know that the City Provisioners was wiped out, but aren't some of them still around as a sect based in Bytopia or is that just mimir.net screed?

3) Anarchs and Anarchs' Guild: I remember that they were put forth as a sect in Planes of Chaos, is this for the A's or the AG?...As I recall, the AG is solely a githzerai concern, but the sect is not- is this correct?...

4) Sects in general: Is the info on mimir.net concerning the "official" sects (that is those from PS products and not fan created) fairly reliable?...

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I believe the mimir information is mostly 'fluffed out by fanwork' actually. Some of these sects have little more than a few lines on them in canon.

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