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Tue, 2011-04-19 19:15
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Need a list of special materials/substances from 2E books

Since I'm working on expanded treasure charts, mining tables for Mineral, and the like (I don't care if the substance is native only to the Prime, Outer Planes, or a different Inner Plane).

So far I have the following:

--Adamant (Volo's guide to all things magical and the like)
--Arenite from Anauroch
--Baatorian Green Steel
--Brightice from Inner Planes
--Corals and kelps from Sea of Fallen Stars
--Eternal Ice
--Liquid Fire (Al Qadim: Caravans)
--Metals and gems from Volo's Guide to All Things Magical
--Vividium from Inner Planes
--Woods from Volo's Guide to All Things Magical

I also have Shadowstone *Astromundi* and Nephelium *Firestorm Peak* referenced by source, but not page or chapter.

What else did I miss?

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Sat, 2011-04-23 18:56
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Re: Need a list of special materials/substances from 2E books

Damn, where's Rip when you need him?

Mon, 2011-04-25 12:02
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Arjale, from Dragon #91, is a black metal mined in Phlegethos, Malbolge, Maladomini, and Nessus. Alloyed with iron, it becomes dajavva (the 1st edition name for what Planescape called Baatorian green steel)

Tantulhor, also from Dragon #91, is another metal mined in Baator.

Hellstones, also described in Dragon #91. A gem from Baator.

Oerthblood, mentioned in Return of the Eight and Dragon #351. Unique to Oerth.

There are more detailed descriptions of all of these materials on Maldin's website.

There's also dweornite, a magical gem found in the Horned Lands of Oerth (Iuz the Evil, page 37). The powers of these tear-shaped, blue-white stones vary wildly, with some extraordinarily rare ones even containing naturally-occurring wish spells. There's no explanation given for why these gems exist, but I wonder if it had something to do with the Battle of Pesh that was fought in the nearby Bandit Kingdoms.

Forgotten Realms Adventures names many kinds of gems and stones that I'm not sure appeared anywhere else:

Ornamental Stones
Agni Mani
Algae
Augelite
Azurite
Banded Agate
Bluestone
Blue Quartz
Chrysocolla
Corstal
Crown of Silver
Distheme
Epidote
Eye Agate
Fire Agate
Fluorspar
Frost Agate
Goldline
Greenstone
Hematite
Lapis Lazuli
Hyaline
Lynx Eye
Malachite
Moss Agate
Microcline
Nelvine
Nune
Obsidian
Oolite
Ophealine
Rhodochrosite
Rosaline
Sagenite
Sanidine
Sarbossa
Satin Spar
Sharpstone
Sheen
Silkstone
Snowflake Obsidian
Sunstone
Thuparlial
tiger eye Agate
Turquoise
Variscite
Violane
Webstone
Wonderstone
Woodtine
Zarbrina

Semi-Precious Stones
Alestone
Andar
Aventurine
Bloodstone
Boakhar
Carnelian
Chalcedony
Chrysoprase
Citrine
Clelophane
Datchas
Dioptase
Gold Sheen
Hambergyle
Hydrophane
Hypersthene
Iol
Jasper
Irtios
Luriyl
Malacon
Mellochrysos
Moonstone
Mykaro
Mynteer
Onyx
Orprase
Phenalope
Rainbow Obsidian
Rock Crystal
Samarskite
Sardonyx
Serpentine
Skydrop
Smoky Quartz
Spodumene
Star Rose Quartz
Tabasheer
Tchazar
Witherite
Zircon

Fancy Stones
Alexandrite
Amber
Amethyst
Angel's Skin
Brandeen
Crysoberyl
Coral
Jardoon
Jade
Jet
Kornerupine
Laeral's Tears
Octel
Scapra
Shandon
Sinhalite
Star Diopside
Tourmaline
Tremair
Ulvaen
Waterstar
Ziose

Precious Stones
Aquamarine
Euclase
Flamedance
Garnet
Heliodor
Horn coral
Orbaline
Pearl
Peridot
Raindrop
Rusteen
Sphene
Spinel
Topaz

Gem Stones
Black Opal
Fire Opal
Jasmal
Moonbar
Opal
Orblen
Orl
Ravenar
Red Tears
Sapphire
Shou Lung Amethyst
Shou Lung Topaz
Tomb Jade
Water Opal
Zendalure

Jewels
Amaratha
Beljuril
Black Sapphire
Diamond
Emerald
Jacinth
King's Tears
Rogue Stone
Ruby
Shou Lung Emerald
Star Ruby
Star Sapphire

Hardstones
Alabaster
Archon
Hornbill Ivory
Iris Agate
Ivory
Lumachella
Luspeel
Marble
Meerschaum
Pipestone
Psaedros
Serpentine Stone
Soapstone
Star Metal
Sulabra
Tempskya
Turritella
Xylopal

Shells
Abalone
Black Helmet
Conch
Cowrie, Tiger
Cowrie, Pearl
Cowrie, Opal
Cowrie, Purple Star
Flame Helmet
Horned Helmet
Mother of Pearl
Nacre
Nautilus
Red Helmet
Sardonyx Helmet
Shambos
Trochus
Turbo
Unio

The only other thing that occurs to me offhand is Blackflame, detailed in The Five Shires by Ed Greenwood (for the Mystara setting), the D&D Companion Set, and the D&D Rules Cyclopedia. Blackflame has some planar origin, though it was originally discovered in caverns beneath the Black Spires Mountains in Mystara. It does a lot of things, potentially, but mainly it's a black flame that emanates darkness and cold instead of light and heat. The darkness of Blackflame creates "shadows" of light behind objects that block it. Blackflame burns noncombustible items like metal and stone to ashes, but doesn't harm flammable objects like wood and paper. It does harm living flesh, causing cold damage equal to a normal fire's heat damage, but halflings are immune and can carry Blackflame within them without harm (which is why the substance is considered a sacred halfling relic). If fed ashes, Blackflame will transform them back into an undamaged version of whatever the ashes used to be, although it doesn't restore the dead to life. Halfling masters know how to weave together the light-shadows cast by Blackflame to create a web capable of collecting moonlight.

Mon, 2011-04-25 21:12
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Re: Need a list of special materials/substances from 2E books

Ah, I was expecting more (the Dragon 91 stuff is a good start).

All the FRCS gems are also found and better described in Volo's Guide to All Things Magical, and is in fact, the source I'm using to add those stones to the DMG gems table using their non-Faerunian names when possible, and I can tell that the supplement was also used as the reference for the 3.5 DMG gems table. I've still got about 15 gems/stones to go before I finish, and some stones not listed in this source has also been added *such as the awesome benitoitite, a cobalt-blue gem that fluoresces electric blue under shortwave ultraviolet light*

I compiled the treasures from City of Brass and have noticed several interesting Fire minerals (seafire gems, mainly; the book suggests that similar gems exist on other Elemental planes), "white emeralds", "black emeralds", "fiery yellow sapphire" *I'm presuming by "fiery" they mean "play of color" like what is found in opal and diamond*, and "clear pearls". Holy **** there's a lot of good stuff in that book compared to Necromancer Games' standard fare.

I've also split up the corals into different groups and added Dominican Blue Amber *simply called "blue amber".

I also intend to add notes and comparisons on the pricing guide of textiles, gems, furs, and the like.
These are done by looking at the trade items charts and clothing in Arms & Equipment plus compiling all the treasure examples in 2E and 3x books and comparing them.
As mentioned before, I corrected the pricing on a few DMG gems-- Alexandrite has been woefully incorrectly priced since the 1E days based on the synthetic variety (natural alexandrite is one of the most expensive gems in the world, every bit as expensive as flawless diamonds) and jade (confused largely over the term, which refers to both jadeite and the less-valuable nephrite which is a serpentinoid mineral.). Good quality jade in China can sell for a crapton of money and is, in fact, one of the most expensive of the non-collector minerals out there. This is particularly true for flawless translucent to transparent sea-green jade and red jade *which is nearly as rare as red diamonds*.
Another thing I'll have to work on is setting-specific gems and special materials, deciding which may be found on the planes. I'll also have to determine prices for the corals mentioned in Sea of Fallen Stars-- many of those are very interesting, but not given prices, sadly.

After I work out the primary Gem table and pricing comparisons, I need to work on plane-specific gem tables and the like, which I'll probably only make for some of the Elemental/Paraelemental/Quasielemental planes and maybe cold-based outer planes such as Cania and the Iron Wastes (and should be VERY interesting.)

Sat, 2011-04-30 23:21
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Re: Need a list of special materials/substances from 2E books

Which list are you referring to? Mine or Rip's? If you're referring to Rip's, then all that stuff is described in Volo's Guide to All things Magical, which used to be available for free at Wizards website. That's sadly no longer the case now (none of the 2E stuff is available at their site anymore), so I see nothing wrong with downloading THAT accessory illegally (just don't ask where) Once you do that, you can go to google image and look for pictures of the real-life minerals if the book description isn't enough.

Though eventually, I'm going to make a Gems chart that involves ALL the real life minerals from that accessory, anyway, with a glossary describing them and giving all the real-life colors. (Unfortunately, it may take a bit longer still because at the time I was writing several up, I forgot what the color for apple green was called, so I'll have to redo some searches Admittedly I put it on hiatus for a short time.)

If you're referring to mine however, I do have a much more complete list of both the 2x and 3x special substances, but many are not listed by page number *since most of the 2E FR/Al Qadim books I have are in the form of searchable PDFs*

Here is the 3x list. I am still looking through some of the books at times, so this list is subject to change now and then:

Ceremonial (Dungeon 105 p. 71)
Cinnabryl (Dragon 315 p. 62)
Coldfire (Frostburn; not an equipment material; should be referred to as "coldflow" to prevent confusion with other things known as coldfire)
Crystal, Blended Quartz (ECS, Arms & Equipment)
Crystal, Deep (Expanded Psionics, A&E)
Crystal, Frystalline (BoED)
Crystal, Mundane (Expanded Psionics, A&E)
Crystal, Slug Crystal (Dragon Annual 5 p. 28)
Darkleaf, Elven (A&E, ECS)
Dragonfang (Dungeon 100 p. 31)
Dwarvencraft Quality (RoS)
Elukian Clay (A&E)
Leafweave (RotW, A&E)
Metal, Acheronian Clearsteel (Planewalker Ch. 6)
Metal, Arandur (Magic of Faerun p. 178)
Metal, Arcane Steel/Cyrite (PGE p. 117)
Metal, Astral Driftmetal (Planewalker Ch. 6, Planar Handbook, A&E)
Metal, Aurorum (BoED)
Metal, Baatorian Green Steel (Fiendish Codex II p. 99, Planewalker Ch. 6, A&E)
Metal, Bronze (DMG, non-SRD)
Metal, Byeshk (ECS)
Metal, Calomel (Magic of Eberron p. 142)
Metal, Darksteel (Magic of Faerun)
Metal, Dlarun (Magic of Faerun)
Metal, Entropium (Planewalker Ch. 6, A&E)
Metal, Fever Iron (Magic of Faerun)
Metal, Firebrass (Secrets of Xendrik p. 147) (identical to mithril)
Metal, Flametouched Iron (ECS)
Metal, Fyrite (Dragon 347)
Metal, Gehennan Morghuth (Planewalker Ch. 6, A&E)
Metal, Glassteel (Champions of Valor, Races of Faerun)
Metal, Hizagkuur (Underdark *supercedes* Magic of Faerun unless you use the errata)
Metal, Karach (Planewalker Ch. 6)
Metal, Kheferu (Sandstorm)
Metal, Living Brass (City of Brass)
Metal, Living Metal (Magic of Faerun)
Metal, Mindsteel (Dragon Annual 5)
Metal, Nepthelium (The Sunless Citadel p. 34)
Metal, Pandemonic Silver (Cwar)
Metal, Pearlsteel (Stormwrack)
Metal, Purple Mournlode (Magic of Eberron p. 142)
Metal, Red Steel (Dragon 315 p. 62)
Metal, Shiftsilver (Dragon 355 p. 77)
Metal, Solarian True-Steel (BoED, Planewalker Ch. 6, A&E)
Metal, Starmetal (Carc)
Metal, Targath (ECS)
Oerthblood (Dragon 351 p. 45)
Rimefire Ice (Frostburn)
Riverine (Stormwrack)
Sentira (Secrets of Sarlona p. 135)
Shadowsilk (Tome of Magic)
Stone, Blood Glass (Secrets of Xendrik p. 147)
Stone, Jade (Oriental Adventures)
Stone (DMG non SRD)
Stone, Obsidian (City of Brass, Oriental Adventures)
Stygian Ice (Frostburn)
Susalian Chainweave (Cwar)
Thinaun (Cwar)
Urdrukar (A&E)
Wood, Bluewood (Unapproachable East)
Wood, Bronzewood (ECS, A&E)
Wood, Coldwood (Dragon 357)
Wood, Densewood (ECS)
Wood, Duskwood (Magic of Faerun)
Wood, Eldritch Whorlwood (Secrets of Xendrik p. 151, 156)
Wood, Lanaer (Dragon Annual 5 p. 28)
Wood, Livewood (ECS)
Wood, Serren (BoED)
Wood, Soarwood (ECS)
Wood, Wildwood (RotW)
Vakar (Dragon Annual 5 p. 28)
Ysgardian Heartwire (BoED, Planewalker Ch. 6, A&E)

A&E= Arms & Equipment
BoED= Book of Exalted Deeds
Carc= Complete Arcane
Cwar= Complete Warrior
ECS= Eberron Campaign Setting
PGE= Player's Guide to Eberron
RoS= Races of Stone
RotW= Races of the Wild

Sat, 2011-04-30 23:31
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Re: Need a list of special materials/substances from 2E books

I have another question for you, Rip. I've been trying to find out the origins and fluff on several of the 3x poisons, but have had zero luck. I'm looking for info on the following poisons only:

Adlevine Extract
Alforna
Anemis
Bloodroot (clearly not related to the real-life bloodroot)
Blue Whinnis
Burnt Othur Fumes
Cretel Leaf Residue
Crippling Vine
Culum Powder
Dark Reaver Powder
Deathblade
Devil's Eye
Eyeblast
Faralin
Gray Whinnis
Greenblood Oil
Haluroot
Horror Weed Extract
Id Moss
Insanity Dust
Ishentav
Lifebane
Lockjaw
Malyss Root Paste
Mesmer Paste
Mist of Nourn
Nitharit
Oil of Taggit
Raeliss Smoke
Redek Vine Extract
Retch
Rill Leaf
Roshon Vapor
Salvo
Sasson Juice
Sassone Leaf Residue
Scorcher Fumes
Shreef Oil
Sleeping Weed
Sufferfume
Terinav Root
Thever Fumes
Thever Paste
Ungol Dust
Urthanyk
Vapid Leaf Extract
Vilestar
Wraith Sheen

Sun, 2011-05-01 03:22
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Re: Need a list of special materials/substances from 2E books

I think the 3e poisons were new to 3e. In 2e they had less flavorful names, like Type I Poison. In 3e they invented new colorful nouns.

Sun, 2011-05-01 13:35
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Actually, poisons are described in a couple books, such as Assassin Mountain (which had mostly enchanted poisons, including one made from "the ichor of fire elementals"), and several in Pages from the Mages *none of which I've seen in 3x*

Sun, 2011-05-01 20:44
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Re: Need a list of special materials/substances from 2E books

Nonetheless, the 2e DMG had really boring, generic names for poisons, and as far as I know all the 3e poisons you mentioned are new to 3e.

Mon, 2011-05-02 21:57
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I'm well aware of their boring-ness in the DMG. I should have specified however-- with the poisons, I was wondering if any of the 3x books go into further description of what exactly they are, such as what a "sasson/e" plant or tree is.

Mon, 2011-05-02 23:00
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Re: Need a list of special materials/substances from 2E books

How about Pale Designs from Bastion Press. It is a poisoners handbook, but it is 3.0.

Tue, 2011-05-03 00:19
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Yeah, but that's third party.

Sun, 2011-05-08 16:24
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Well, I've finished the gems table (with the exception of the "colors" section). What would be a good site to host it on that won't take it down in like a few months or 1 year and doesn't require that I make an account?

I'm also thinking of making a shells table. Problem with this of course is that you'd have to tweak the DMG tables to include it, and I don't exactly feel like messing with those. (It'll be an RTF file)

Thu, 2011-05-12 12:28
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Re: Need a list of special materials/substances from 2E books

If you're open to 3rd party supplements, I'd recommend:

Aasimar & Tiefling: A Guide to the Planetouched by Robert S. Schwalb (Green Ronin)
Requiem For a God by Monte Cook (Malhavoc Press)
When the Sky Falls by Bruce Cordell (Malhavoc Press)

All three are good sources for exotic planar materials. Requiem is the best source on godsblood and pieces of dead gods, and When the Sky Falls is the best treatment on magical meteorites and starmetal.

Thu, 2011-05-12 17:07
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Re: Need a list of special materials/substances from 2E books

What pages are the special materials in Aasimar & Tiefling in? (I'll definitely check the first two out as neither one have been catalogued in my index yet. For the third, I figured there were lots of extraterrestrial substances in it, but I'm not as interested in bolide materials as these tend to be Prime material-only substances.)

As for which ones I do have indexed, that would be the Violet Dawn substances (of course), City of Brass (naturally), the Scarred Lands materials, Ptolus, Arcanis Forged in Magic revised, and Andrecite from Beyond Countless Doorways.

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