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1. Wanted to see if we could revive Lady's Sharper Eye.

2. Wanted to put out something quarterly, keeping it short (20-30 pages tops) but including some art. I figure we can draw from various threads that are active like the Planar Renovation Projects, the Alternate Prime and Wheel threads, and currently hot topics like the one about killing the Lady.

Also want to include stuff from and for the 4e cosmology, and the Midgard stuff that is going on in Open Design. Would like mechanics where we can get them, but as I am so poor with mechanics I couldn't even hope to oversee anything.

3. Curious if people wanted to work on larger, longer term projects - we've had possibilities mentioned about a board game, some more material on celestials, and possible adventure seeds.

Personally I'd like to at least start with 1 and 2 while slowly gathering steam on projects from 3.

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I'd be willing to contribute, but I'm notoriously fickle at times.

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For sure - I'd be happy to pitch in as best I'm able.

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No worries, I figure a lot of this will be very informal, especially #2. I think 20 pages in three months is doable if we can possibly get some art.

I figure we can write about a topic like Defining the Lady (part of which is the possibility of killing her), with different people offering their opinions and ideas on the subject.

Depending on authors giving their permission and possible willingness to reformat/expand topics, just thinking about the last few months we have enough to fill up an "issue":

1. Elemental culture, behaviors
2. Limbo Renovation
3. Killing the Lady
4. Parallel Wheels
5. Prime Worlds from Log X
6. Planar Metropoli
7. Inspirations (we could do book, album, historical event overviews)
8. Alignment discussions
9. 4e stuff
10. Experiences with Open Design from the varied people who signed up.

Much of this is making material that can be sent out to other PS fans and D&D fans looking for new stuff for the planes which, to me at least, feels lacking in PF and 4e.

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There's my updated only when I feel like writing something thread about the Humanoid Cultures of Sigil, which could certainly fill space.

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Actually, you could go though and set up a regular section of Renovation articles. We've gone though a number of planes already.

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Well, I actually have an issue of the LSE about 80% complete, but I have not worked on it for months, as I have not received more than a mere dram of submissions. I am willing to revive it, or send what I have along, if there is once again interest...

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Thanks Kobold!

Wicke: Yeah, I was thinking of that as well. I figure at minimum each quarter there'll be one Prime World from Log X if the author approves, one Wheel from the Alternate Wheels, and one plane getting a renovation.

From there, some things from the inspiration thread that I or someone else could write about.

Would like a planar metropolis as well as some cool NPCs (gods, fiends, elementals, etc) on occasion.

Mechanics and art are my biggest concerns, but I feel like we can get people to help with those in time.

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I'm wondering if something more like a journal or a magazine would work here, rather than a newspaper format.

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Here's a tentative outline of topics, just want something on the page even if we tear it up and go with something different.:

1. Sigilian Culture: I was thinking Kobolds, as it sorta salutes Kobold Quarterly. Smiling
2. Introduction to Parallels and Parallel Walking (pick 5-8 parallels, throw in some NPCs, I figure at least one parallel from everyone who has contributed?)
3. Planar Renovation Project: Limbo?
4. PS Inspiration:
A.) Illustration Artist (if possible, email them some interview questions?)
B.) Music Suggestions
C.) Something (event, culture, tradition) from history
5. *NEW* Planar Metropoli: I'd like us to come up with something new.
6. *NEW* Discussion about the Alignment and the Planes - different ways of utilizing alignment, examining when its good and when it detracts from play.
7. NPC: Not sure, maybe one of Shemmy's Demented if She's willing.
8. Expanding on the works of a planar race: Elementals if Hyena is willing.
9. *NEW* Locations for the Positive and Negative Material Planes.
10. *NEW* Possible ways to kill the Lady.
11. *NEW* Monster
12. *NEW* Cool burial techniques on the elemental planes
13. *NEW* Examination of someone's campaign (one example, if he were willing, would be banhe's which a few of us discussed this summer. There's also Shemmy's Story Hour, Loki's Planejammer, and the currently ongoing Cross Purposes game as well.)

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Zimrazim wrote:
I'm wondering if something more like a journal or a magazine would work here, rather than a newspaper format.

Oh I was thinking magazine for the quarterly thing, but I figure Lady's Sharper Eye has its own creative format and not sure who is in charge of that.

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Don't forget the LSE's want-ads section... Eye-wink

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Well, I actually have an issue of the LSE about 80% complete, but I have not worked on it for months, as I have not received more than a mere dram of submissions. I am willing to revive it, or send what I have along, if there is once again interest...

Oh, if you are willing to revive it that would be cool. What more do you need for submissions? I'd be willing to pitch something for your approval for sure.

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Another option is DMing advice - How to set up a planar murder mystery? How to believably portray beings infinity times older than you will ever be?

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Another option is DMing advice - How to set up a planar murder mystery? How to believably portray beings infinity times older than you will ever be?
That would be an interesting read -- both of them!

On the topic of the second one (not to derail, but), in one of my pen and paper games I'm currently playing a fey of ambiguous, unknown age. Though she has stated on numerous occasions that she is incredibly old and predates the current pantheon of the world, her knowledge of past events that fall without her spectrum of interests (ie herself) is more or less nil and she's far more likely to 'spin a tale' than explain anything in a rational or approachable way.

When I play her, I do a monotone and then raise or lower my voice arbitrarily while speaking, to put emphasis on words or phrases that have no reason to be emphasized. This gives her a sense of otherness. She has little comprehension of this human language she's using to communicate with you, and feels no need to learn how it actually works.

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OH. ALSO! If you want artwork for this, let me know, and I can post a journal to the deviantART Planescape group about it.

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I love your Fey Concept.

Thanks for the note about the art - I definitely want to draw in the Deviant group! If you let them know it'd be great (thanks!). Just want to stress that it is meant to be very organic, if they draw something specifically for the topics in an issue that's cool but we can also showcase the art they are producing on their own.

My goal is to make sure this is something doable on a quarterly schedule.

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Any ideas for a title? Would be nice to use the word Planewalker and then something? Planewalker Paquete? Planewalker Guide?

ETA: Planewalker Travelogue, Chant O' the Season, Excerpts from the Codex, The Planar Almanac, The Wayward Wayfarer.

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I'd love to see two projects: Fiendish Codex III & Book of Neutrality

Fiendish Codex III

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Fiendish Codex III: Denizens of the Lower Planes

Contents

Preface

Introduction

Chapter 1: Lore of the Middle Lower Planes
Origins of the Yugoloths
History of Yugoloth
Yugoloth Agendas
XXX

Chapter 2: The Middle Lower Planes
Gehenna
Khalas
Chamada
Mungoth
Krangath
Gray Waste
Oinos
Niflheim
Pluton
Carceri
Orthrys
Cathrys
Minethys
Colothys
Porphatys
Agathys

Chapter 3: Denizens
Avari
Baku (Dark Ones)
Diakk
Gautiere
Gehreleth
Farastu
Kelubar
Shator
Hordeling
Larva
Linqua
Night Hag
Phiuhl
Shadow Fiend
Slasrath
Utukku
Vaath
Vaporighu
Wirchler
Yugoloth
Baernaloth
Provide 3.5 updates to all Yugoloths

Chapter 4: Rulers
Gehenna
XXX
Gray Waste
XXX
Carceri
XXX

Chapter 5: Game Rules
Feats
Prestige Classes
Spells
Equipment
Magic Items
Artifacts
Book of Inverted Darkness

Appendix 1: Rulers of the Middle Lower Planes
Appendix 2: Layers of the Middle Lower Planes
Appendix 3: Index of Middle Lower Planar Creatures
Alphabetical (give source and page)
By CR (give source and page)

Book of Neutrality

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Book of Neutrality
Book of Concordant Opposition
Book of Perfect Balance

Development Notes:
Take the tables of contents from BoED and BoVD and use them to make a table of contents.
What races should be in this? Rilmani, Modrons, Slaadi, Formians, Inevitables, Githzerai, ???
Planes to be covered: Mechanus, Outlands, Limbo (others are in BoED and BoVD)

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I'm down for trying to brainstorm ideas for those, but I would consider making both of those articles in what I'd like to be a free, quarterly publication. As momentum builds, you could easily gather peeps to create the books plus take existing material and put it in a book format.

But I don't want to step on your toes, however you want to play it is cool.

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I generally intend to submit my stuff as RTF articles once I've finished it, which will still be some time, esoecially since I eventually intend to include artwork of Cryonax and Frigidora, and maybe an updated (from crappy 1E art) Frigidarch drawing.
I intend to submit all my Paraelemental Ice stuff as a single or series (of chapters) of cleaned up and organized articles.
In addition, all the treasure stuff I've been working on for some time will be submitted as a single article.
The Elemental culture and physiology stuff will be another article of its own.
Then finally, I'll submit the misc. inner planar stuff, including a planewalker version of Crystalle.

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Cool - if there's something you'd like to tackle in shorter format, or a preview of something you're working on, definitely let me know.

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I would love to do this and get started on it. The other site that I work with does a quarterly as well, so I have worked out the workflow and overall approach to get something like this up and running.

I'm currently running a game this evening, but I will catch up on the thread and make suggestions on what I think would be a good approach to the project soon as I get home Smiling

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Awesome. Thanks! (What's the other site that does a quarterly?)

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The Book of Neutrality should also include the Elemental Planes, since the Elemental Lords are concerned with maintaining true neutrality. Also, there was a race before the Rilmani that created the libraries they own, which figured into one of the 2E Planescape modules.
The "demiplane" of time should also be covered, along with some of the time deities, including Irunean from the Violet Dawn setting (I'll cover the fluff part of that along with Rip, since we're the only ones familiar with the setting) Irunean is an Outlands power, and originally the entire Avadnian pantheon including Temulea *save the adopted Elemental Lords* shared the same divine realm, which is located towards the Limbo side *the site that Temulea chose*. Aside from maintaining temporal and general balance, Irunean is burdened with the task of keeping The Void (demiplane Temulea created to destroy all he created) in check wiuth the help of Ptah and Celestian.

Also, I think the Fiendish Codex III should instread be about the Yugoloths, *which wouldn't be complete without the Gehreleths/Demdands* the remaining major fiendish race not covered yet. As such, it would cover the planes of Gehenna, Gray Waste, AND Carceri. I'll probably submit quite a bit of fluff to that (and a little bit of crunch-- I still need to develop a Daemonic clerical domain, I just haven't created the unique Yugolothish spells yet, of which there should be 2 or 3.) I also still need to create a fornicoloth; (what? That's no worse than nycoloth or echinoloth!) female yugoloth masters of disguise who fraternize with generals *mostly balors and pit fiends* in order to recover military and other secrets. (Basically, they're the yugoloth answer to succubi and erinyes, though they'd be a bit more powerful than those two since their purpose is to sleep with planar generals rather than tempt mortals. Their physical combat prowess will still suck of course. I actually considered having them possess mokumegame daggers of planar substances with both cold iron and silver effects, but I can't find any hardmetal special materials with properties of silver, and pandemonic silver isn't exactly a choice metal for someone who wants to be a stealthy assassin and sneak thief. *Mokumegame is a japanese process of marbling precious metals, though supposedly some damascened steels possessed such marbling as well. I intended that the forging of such planar mokumegame items were a secret known only to the 'loths. I do not think that making a mokumegame weapon from both a hard metal and a soft metal would be feasible. )

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To keep momentum going, I'm thinking 9 topics with an average of 3 pages each as a minimum. This way we have 27 pages without art, so with art we should be close to if not over 30.

I'm also confident that I can manage a huge chunk of this myself if needs be, realizing everyone has other goals and interests beyond this publication.

I'm going by what I've seen on the boards lately, so feel free to suggest something else. So here would be my first 7 topics (with author's permission of course):

1. Kobolds in Sigil (thanks to Kobold Avenger!)
2. Introduction Parallel Wheels (ideally something from every contributor)
3. Hedge Witch (need Jem's permission)
4. Limbo Renovation (with thread contributor permission)
5. Killing the Lady of Pain (creative hints on how, ramifications)
6. Alternate Primes
7. DM advice on running planars (fey, fiends, gods, etc)

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As promised - my more in depth response...

I think the thing that the LSE found limiting was that it was by it's nature an in-character newspaper. It is of limited use to GMs and PCs who aren't set in Sigil *and* using the paper in their games. It really shot itself in the foot on this.

Switching up to a Dragon-like mag, where some of the articles have authorial voice in-character, but where the material provided is useful to a wide selection of gamers: locations, scenarios, NPCs, gear etc, would almost certainly be more successful in the long run than the LSE's format. It would probably be best as it's own thing instead of appropriating the LSE name though. We can have a poll on good name choices for this thing once we nail down what this thing is going to be.

From previous experience - quarterly release is a good target (making the target for this project, Jan 1st).

If we have a leadership core (other than just me, one person leadership tends to be a bottleneck) to lead the 'zine project to completion - we certainly have the ability to do it. I'd be completely in favor. Smiling

I'd also love to see larger supplemental material / books - things like Dan's Desire and the Dead adventure for example. I've got a host of old files, half finished works and the like. But I think those projects might be best spun off into their own threads so we don't get confused on this one.

@sciborg2 - 30ish pages in a quarter is very doable and probably your top limit truth be told but art is probably your biggest bottleneck point. Always is for the work on the Eye for Eclipse Phase. ( http://www.firewall-darkcast.com/theeye since you asked sci)

@zimrazim - I think a mag format is where it's at for this one.

@anetra - careful what you wish for. You're likely to get jumped for art in these circles. Eye-wink

Re: the book ideas - we may want to spin those off into their own threads for authors to get started on them. Or spin the mag concept into it's own to get started on. Basically so we can avoid crosstalking over each other and loosing ideas.

What we did for the Eye (EP's fanzine):

We set up a workflow queue, allowing anyone to put in article, and allowing people to volunteer as editors. Articles are approved for release after three votes up-voting it as peer reviewed.

Art requests are created for the article by author or editor, and are listed in a separate request list for artists to fullfil.

Once art is gathered, and text is gathered - layout kicks in. The layout crew for the Eye is really one guy who's working on this as a resume builder - he arranges the articles into a PDF.

The PDF is then released on the site, and articles released on the web at the same time as a collection for a choice of formats to read it in.

This was all in Drupal, so we can do the same thing here.

What we needed to get it going:

A good handful of dedicated people from the start. You've got me sci, and probably a few others once this solidifies.
Internal momentum of writers and artists.
Tech savvy.
Layout guy.

I think we have everything we need to pull this off in spades. Smiling If anyone has any wizard like powers with layout design - step forward.

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sciborg2 wrote:
To keep momentum going, I'm thinking 9 topics with an average of 3 pages each as a minimum.

Do we have to focus so heavily on a particular word count for an article? Heh.

Edit: I understand it to some extent for a magazine format; I just hope it won't be necessary to be draconian about it.

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Thanks Clueless - definitely want to spin this off into a separate thread. This one seems good for general publication interest but I can tell is going to get unwieldy. So I'll reply to your post there.

Note I really would like to see Lady's Sharper Eye continue, and meant for this quarterly zine to be separate from the start. LSE is a fun project and I think doable alongside this one. LSE breathes life into the setting, and I know I enjoy what I've read.

@Zimrazim: Before creating a new thread, just wanted to answer Zimrazim: I'm not interested in word count really, just trying to think ahead to what is a realistic goal. 3 pages for 9 articles is something I think is realistic and given that I'd like to draw on hot topics in the forums for material very doable.

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How much "fluff" vs "crunch" would this publication be looking for? And what variety or varieties of "crunch?" 3.x? Pathfinder? 4e? Any of them?

Edit: Thinking about it, the publication might want to provide some degree of support for all of them (though not necessarily total support in every article). I think the 4e "crunch" is so different from the other two in places that it might be harder to support 4e in some cases.

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I think the best thing is to offer "crunch" for more than one system: 3e, 4e, and Pathfinder, probably. I think we can probably rustle up some volunteers to make sure we support the systems this community is using, as everyone involved in the project is going to want to create something they can use.

I'm willing to help with Pathfinder conversions.

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That sounds good. What I mean is that if I'm writing an article about (X), I hope I don't have to make substantial alterations to my "fluff" text to get it to fit into, for example, the 4e ruleset.

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i'd be down for whatever mechanics people want to put in, preference going to PF and 4e as I think those will get the most use but it is hard to gage how many people still play 3.5. Open Design seems to have a Dragon Age RPG following as well...

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It's important to note that wordcount per page relies *very* much on the layout. Your choice of font, gridding, page size, art expectations per article - all that radically changes how many words will fit on a page and hence how many pages you could expect to get out of an article. The wordcounts are also smaller than you would expect - for example with the EP work - 600 or so words will get you two columns (one whole page). That's why it's better to view your text in terms of wordcount than in terms of page count.

I think getting down to the specific wordcounts for articles maybe getting ahead of ourselves. Just to eyeball things - we have more than enough to work with, and right now we don't really need to focus on much more than that until we have some other decisions made.

I'll wait for any further input until sci has the thread spin off on it. Smiling

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Here's the new thread for the Planescape Quarterly Zine:

/forum/planescape-quarterly-zine

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Here's a new thread for Lady's Sharper Eye:

/forum/contributions-ladys-sharper-eye

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sciborg2 wrote:
i'd be down for whatever mechanics people want to put in, preference going to PF and 4e as I think those will get the most use but it is hard to gage how many people still play 3.5. Open Design seems to have a Dragon Age RPG following as well...

Presuming you're imagining potential multiple-system support for articles involving mechanics: what if each quarterly were accompanied by system-specific appendices including all of the mechanics available from that particular issue? Which is not to say that there shouldn't be mechanics in the quarterly at all - any article involving mechanics could include them for a single system, which could potentially make the quarterly itself feel more inclusive (that is, a scant bit of Dragon Age stuff wouldn't feel overwhelmed by more comprehensive 4E or PF coverage, for instance).

As word/page count goes, I feel like an upper limit is as important to keep in mind as a lower one. (Obviously a number of the articles you described are actually several smaller things, so it's less a worry there.)

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friendly note, please direct stuff about the quarterly zine here:

/forum/planescape-quarterly-zine

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Sorry - I suspect I was writing while you were creating the new thread.

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No prob, I was going to reply here and I created the other thread! Smiling

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New forum at: /forums/planewalker-projects/quarterly-fanzine

And for the LSE - don't forget you have a forum at: /forums/planewalker-projects/sigis-presents-la...

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