How many of you are gonna buy the new rules (4E)?

Me neither.. it's hard for me to give up a system that I spent a long time learning, and still haven't fully grasped (not to mention a good wad of cash for the sourcebooks/software). Unless nearly everyone else makes the switch quickly so that I'm forced to learn it, I'm sticking with the status quo.

Still playing 2nd ed in my home game. So, I'm probably not going to, at least for awhile, but its inevitable that I'll see something I like and buy it, then the hook is set ...

It does?

I'm thinking of buying the 4E Player's Handbook because I'm fairly optimistic about what I've heard of how classes now work, but I'm definitely not interested in paying a monthly fee.

All in all, I think the mechanics sound very improved and balanced in the new edition, so that would be my main appeal.

Still haven't decided yet.

I'm something of RPG colector (for example I buy anything related to planes), and when I buy RPG stuff I look for these things: 1. Setting, 2. Fluff and finnaly 3. Rules and Mechanics.

I have this opinon that good game or campain can be palyed no mater what are rules and mechanics. But to buy 4e just becaouse it has great mechanics is just not good enough reason for me to give large amouts of cash, setting and fluff there are practicaly non-existant and half baked. (To me it is like buying new console without any games).

Huh? What gave you that idea?

I've seen some major changes in fluff in relation to previous editions (and many of these changes I'm not keen on), but the fluff certainly doesn't look non-existant.

I'm in no rush to buy 4e.

Besides, the best D&D book ever made was 2e.

Well I haven't bought a D&D game yet and I'll tell you if I ever do It sure as the nine as the nine hells is lawful is not gonna be 4E.

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Well for starters: cosmology, that anyone here on Planewalker could have make in 30 minutes, Gnomes that are monsters and cunning manipulators and advisors of Battorian lords - Pit Fiands with only 3 skills. etc, etc...

Ok, I admit there is fluff (and setting) but I don't like it. It is just too simplyfied.
You know old saying:"less is better". That one it just cannot be aplied to PRGs, at leat not in terms of setting and fluff, and definetly not in terms of planes.

Either that or I'we just become too old and too bitter.

I'll be buying the core three. They may have trouble selling stuff to me after that, however.

I wouldn't worry about the monthly subscription thing. I believe the idea is that it'll fill the same niche as Dungeon and Dragon did, as well as providing some tools to make 4th ed easier to play online.

Looks like you'll have to buy 4th ed, then. They made sure that the nine hells isn't lawful anymore.

Actually the Pit Fiend has more than three skills. Every skill gets a bonus equal 1/2 the character/creature's level. The three skills in the skills entry are trained and get a +5 bonus.

Wrong thread. Somebody hit me.

Eh, I don't know. They probably saw that Paizo had a good thing going and wanted a piece of it for themselves. They probably also think they can boost membership by marketing it in their books, on their webpage, and on their forums. But that doesn't mean it will be essential, there were lots of people who got by just fine without Dungeon or Dragon, or most of the 3.x books, for that matter (I was one of them. I own less than a third of the 3.x books they put out, and I never had a Dungeon or Dragon subscription).

I don't remember where I got this from, but I believe that the subscription content will be composed of Dungeon, Dragon, what used to be the web expansions, the web tools, maybe the art galleries, and perhaps some of the old website collums (those last two are my speculation). I may be making this up, but I also believe the errata will be available in the non-subscription portion of the site. The cost of the subscription is suposed to be less that or equal to the old cost of Dungeon and Dragon, so . . . .
It's a little money-grabby, I guess, but not too bad.

I really don't see any reason why I would need to purchase 4th Edition. Truth be told I'm probably heading towards a chunk of my life where I won't be gaming at all. Oh, I'll probably pick it up again in 5 or 10 years, maybe sooner, but by then Wizards will be well into 6th edition, so I'll reevaluate then. Even if I were still actively gaming, though, I'd probably pass on it. I have all the fluff I'll ever need from a combination of 2nd Edition and my own imagination, and the 3.X rules, while flawed in some ways, are at least adequate for my needs.

I've probably mentioned this before in another thread, but I do look forward to seeing if the 4e implementation of psionics is any good. I don't think TSR/WotC have done a very good job of properly integrating psionics so far (3.0 it has a number of problems, 3.5 it's too much like an alternate arcane spell list). Starting out with psionics as part of core material might help.

The earliest previews said psionic rules would be out sometime in 2009. The prevailing speculation is that it will be in the core book titled Player's Handbook 2. And yes WotC marketing is trying to say that books farther in the Player's Handbook or Monster Manual series with numbers attached at the end are core books.