Gods and Realms on the Planes

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Hi Planeswalkers,

I've been trying to put together a list for myself of locations on the outer planes, partly just so I know what everybody is talking about when they mention them...

The Encyclopedia and this forum have been very helpful, but some of the realms and locations listed in the Encyclopedia are given a plane but not a layer... does anybody have any more details on them?

Hlal's realm (Arborea)
Lydia's realm (Elysium)
Tamara's realm (Elysium)
a Sons of Mercy outpost (Bytopia)
Artemis's realm (or wandering the whole plane?) (Arcadia)
Tlalocan (Arcadia)
Sobek's realm (Acheron)
Syrul's realm (Grey Waste)
Ghoresh Chasm (Grey Waste)

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'Vaevictis Asmadi' wrote:
Hlal's realm (Arborea)

This hasn't been named.

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Lydia's realm (Elysium)

Warriors of Heaven says Elysium/Amoria/Release From Care. Note that this is a town, rather than a realm. It's ruled by a githzerai named Ezekial, and in general it's controlled by the Cipher faction. What Lydia would be doing there is a mystery (particularly because her portfolio of knowledge is in some respects antithetical to Cipher beliefs); my guess is her true realm is near there, but not actually in it.

I tend to reject Warriors of Heaven as a valid source, since it's so contradictory to other sources. But that's what it says.

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Tamara's realm (Elysium)

Unnamed.

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a Sons of Mercy outpost (Bytopia)

Good question! That hasn't been named either. I can't find any reference in Chapter 3 of the Planewalker Campaign Setting, or in Faction War.

Chapter 3 says their headquarters is in Bytopia, but it doesn't give us a name (I would presume it's in Dothion, though, as Shurrock seems too wild and difficult to get to and from).

Their headquarters are probably in Yeoman, since they're needed there to counteract the influence of the Knights of the Planes-Militant.

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Artemis's realm (or wandering the whole plane?)

Arborea/Olympus/Olympus. "The goddess considers all of Olympus to be her realm and hunts without care, returning only occasionally to a small bower where she makes her home. Truth to tell, her case is little more than a small complex of caves in the side of the mountain, for Artemis has no real need of a place to retire to. She frequently travels to Arkenos, the city of the Amazons, where she's revered as a protector."

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Tlalocan (Arcadia)

From the Maztica boxed set:

"Tlalocan, the Water Land, is the top layer of Arcadia. Mazticans who were killed by water are sent here, a land of gentle rains and friendly animals. Many consider this a paradise. Legend states that Azul created this area to please his wife."

Legends & Lore says the same thing about Tlaloc (that he created a paradise called Tlalocan to please his wife). I think either Tlaloc and Azul are the same god, or they created the realm together. Or there could be two Tlalocans, I guess, but that seems needless.

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Sobek's realm (Acheron)

In 2e, Sobek actually lived on the Material Plane, and 3e Deities & Demigods says the same thing. Planewalker hosts an article that gives him a realm called the River of Smiling Death, in Avalas.

So officially he should be on the Material Plane. I like the Acheron idea better, since he's worshipped on more than one world.

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Syrul's realm (Grey Waste)

The Scarlet Brotherhood says the Gray Waste/Khalas/Castle of Ugly Truth. The problem, of course, is that this is an error: Khalas is actually a layer of Gehenna. So which is it, Gehenna or the Gray Waste? I wrote to the author, Sean K. Reynolds, and suggested that she have realms in both planes: Gray Waste/Oinos/Castle of Ugly Truth and Gehenna/Khalas/Castle of Beautiful Lies. He liked the suggestion and included it in the official errata.

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Ghoresh Chasm (Grey Waste)

"Deep in the heart of the Gray Waste," according to Hellbound. I can only guess that means Oinos.

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Thank you for your help, Ripvanwormer.

'ripvanwormer' wrote:
Warriors of Heaven says Elysium/Amoria/Release From Care. Note that this is a town, rather than a realm. It's ruled by a githzerai named Ezekial, and in general it's controlled by the Cipher faction. What Lydia would be doing there is a mystery (particularly because her portfolio of knowledge is in some respects antithetical to Cipher beliefs); my guess is her true realm is near there, but not actually in it.

I tend to reject Warriors of Heaven as a valid source, since it's so contradictory to other sources. But that's what it says.

It doesn't sound very sensible. Sad

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Artemis's realm (or wandering the whole plane?)

Arborea/Olympus/Olympus. "The goddess considers all of Olympus to be her realm and hunts without care, returning only occasionally to a small bower where she makes her home. Truth to tell, her case is little more than a small complex of caves in the side of the mountain, for Artemis has no real need of a place to retire to. She frequently travels to Arkenos, the city of the Amazons, where she's revered as a protector."

Thank you. Hmm, I wonder where the Arcadia idea came from. Maybe it is a mistake in the PW Encyclopedia, and the writer really meant to say Arborea.

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"Tlalocan, the Water Land, is the top layer of Arcadia. Mazticans who were killed by water are sent here, a land of gentle rains and friendly animals. Many consider this a paradise. Legend states that Azul created this area to please his wife."

Legends & Lore says the same thing about Tlaloc (that he created a paradise called Tlalocan to please his wife). I think either Tlaloc and Azul are the same god, or they created the realm together. Or there could be two Tlalocans, I guess, but that seems needless.

Yes, I can't tell any difference at all between Azul and Tlaloc, they have the same alignment and areas of concern, and the same stories are told about them. I'm just assuming that Azul is the Maztican name of Tlaloc. They don't even have differing levels, at least the Gods List pdf says Azul is "divine level unknown."

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The Scarlet Brotherhood says the Gray Waste/Khalas/Castle of Ugly Truth. The problem, of course, is that this is an error: Khalas is actually a layer of Gehenna. So which is it, Gehenna or the Gray Waste? I wrote to the author, Sean K. Reynolds, and suggested that she have realms in both planes: Gray Waste/Oinos/Castle of Ugly Truth and Gehenna/Khalas/Castle of Beautiful Lies. He liked the suggestion and included it in the official errata.

Ah, Syrul having two realms was your idea? Cool.

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