Baba touches his forehead and sighs. "You're about three feet from arguing like crudes in void."
"You aren't going to convince each other you're right, and if I hear correctly, you know about as much about real arcana as a Cipher born and raised in a hole in the spire. Here's the truth, best as anyone knows. No real, duplicable magic can predict the future. However, there's an exception to every rule, and powers' prophecies aren't all screed. Even an Athar's pulled a valid one from the center every once in a while - and I don't think anyone can see those coming. In any case, like everything worthwhile, there's a bit of magic and a bit of work. So you're both wrong."
"Now can you stop arguing about it?" Baba stands up and pushes away his chair. "Kines, thanks for the tea. I will ask a wizardling to come by and disk some produce back - I'll take as many oranges as you've got and a couple of other exotics."
Kines laughs, "The prophecy was total screed fed to Dispater by one of his other consorts. It means nothing, I'm sure of it. No one can truly see the future, people can only see what exists in the moment, and what existed in past moments. Seers say otherwise, but the fact is: good prophets are those who have a good understanding of what has happened and use that understanding to predict what is to come. Why did your elder know about the prophecy before most of the Cage did? Simple, someone told him."