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*frown* I added some error checking to the form to make sure that titles were filled in - that might be causing it. And I'l check the cant article to figure out what's causing that.

edit: Try editing an entry now.

edit 2: Found out why cant' wont' work, b/c it's too close to 'can't' one of the words that MySQL's text search ignores. I'll need to code a special case exception for it to pull it up. (Working on that right now)

edit 3: Ok, I've got the special exception for cant in now and it's now pulling up all cant entries. Unfortunately I can't take the word off the MySQL list given that we don't own the server we're on. But at least we have a work around. I regret that it doesn't order the results as I'd like though, so I'll see if I can figure out a way to do that too. :-/

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Both problems seem to be solved. Thanks.

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Cool Smiling

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The Civic Festhall needs an entry. I don't have enough classic material to fill it in properly.

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The Earth Dragon link in one of the pantheon pages doesn't generate a failed search like it should.

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What does it do?

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It searches for every page that has "earth" or "dragon" in the keywords, but not both.

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That is a properly behaving search, and it is finding all those that have both as well as those that have each individually then scoring them by relevancy and listing them. That would mean an article on earth dragons would appear, assuming the article is there. It does not appear to be so, else it would be near the top of the list for having both terms as that would make it's relevancy be graded higher. So you know, if you put search terms in quotations ( " ) that should force it to look for the phrase. Adding a '+' before the words will also force both to be required to be present. Let me know if you spot other issues.

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"Earth Dragon" and "Civic Festhall" both have articles, now.

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A search for the phrase "bar that" keeps generating a new blank article, even though there's been an entry for "bar that" forever.

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Rip: thanks for the Festhall entry!

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'ripvanwormer' wrote:
A search for the phrase "bar that" keeps generating a new blank article, even though there's been an entry for "bar that" forever.
Try searching for "bar that" - but if that fails too I wouldn't be surprised.

One of the restrictions our server has is that small words (three letters long and less) are automatically dropped from searches. The other restriction is that common words, ('that', 'they're', 'those', etc) are also dropped.

Unfortunately I can't force lunar pages to rebuild their server. So for examples like this I'll be coding in an exception for them as we find them.

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Unfortunately, it still doesn't work.

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Mmph. Ok - I'll get working on that exception in the script shortly then.

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I'm having trouble convincing the search engine that there's already an entry for "Will of the One." It keeps creating a new blank one.

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I'm having the same problem with "Old Ones."

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Congratulations, Qaida, you are our 2500th entry! Whoo!

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"Will of the One" keeps showing up as a new blank entry, even though it already has an entry of its own.

I'm guessing the search engine ignores the word "will?" Or maybe it's related to the problem with "Old Ones."

Update: Oops, already mentioned that, I guess.

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Yep - same sort of problems with all the other entry's with 'small/common' words.

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"Zero" (the name of a bar catering to Bleakers) doesn't work either, doubtless for the same reason.

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I guess the 2000 mark came and went. We're not far away from the 3000. Really amazing.

At any rate I'm finding myself a little on the shy side of being able to answer any of the new topics that come up. The topics are becoming more and more exotic every day, so I've concluded to end my life as an editor of the Encyclopedia.

Its a remarkable achievment by the community and I'm proud in that it tops google searches by planescape topics almost unanimously. Keep it up everyone that made this possible. Its a great resource, and will continue to be for new planewalkers.

I long for more integration into the rest of Planewalker, but that will probably come in some or another future.

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Whoa - *wow*. I hadn't even been watching closely. Ya know we can probably still use some help making our entries 'deeper' in terms of informationa nd sources referenced so don't feel like you're useless here. Smiling

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What you should be able to find here are over 1500 entries on various subjects throughout the Planes.

The introtext should probably be something else than a blatant lie, don't you think Clueless?` Sticking out tongue

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...... Quick! Lookit the monkey! *points out the 'quick post' option below that was just coded today*

...

*while everyone is distracted runs over and fixes that...*

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Ok, a topic for debate :

I can update our linking in the Encyclopedia to link directly to titles that match the terms being linked to, and do a search for titles that don't have an exact match, or I can leave the Encyclopedia as it is.

Which would folks prefer?

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'Clueless' wrote:
I can update our linking in the Encyclopedia to link directly to titles that match the terms being linked to, and do a search for titles that don't have an exact match

I think that would be much easier to use. The only negative thing would be, for example, clicking on "titan" wouldn't automatically alert a reader to the fact that there's also an article on, for example, "Zadara the Titan," and vice versa, but that's minor. Links to other relevant articles can be added to the articles themselves (see also Zadara the Titan).

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I think its absolutely worth a try, if nothing else.

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I think it should only be done on a limited basis, with links which bring up 50 or more articles, or somesuch number. Right now, a link for "titan" brings up every article about a titan, whether from the Greek pantheon or the lesser ones such as Zadara, and any other article that is relevant and has titan as a keyword. Some articles are tagged with keywords because they are relevant to a subject but don't have the subject in their title.

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The links currently only bring up a max of 50 articles. (Or used to earlier.)

I've now made it so that if there is an exact match with a title it goes straight to that entry. Also, entries now automatically suggest related entries based on keywords and title (so make sure your keywords are good ones for your articles so that it'll pop up on those searches!)

We'll see how useful that 'feels' for folks in the next few weeks. Smiling

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I don't thing the Related Entries at the bottom of the post are working properly.

I get this message when clicking:
Error 404

/encyclopedia/encylopedia.php?intEntryID=4171 is not available.

It is possible you are following a link to a previous version of this site. You way be able to find what you're looking for at Planewalker.

If you are following a 'dead' link please inform the owner of the referring page that they need to update the link.

Thank you, Planewalker.com

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Um.... hm. It would help if I learned how to spell wouldn't it? Eye-wink One sec - I shall fix.

Edit: Fixed now. Smiling

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I like the way it works now much better. The "related entries" portion fills the gap left by the fact that it only sends you to the main entry now. I noticed it hadn't been working before, but I hadn't gotten around to saying anything - I'm glad someone else did.

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Actually, I'm seeing a lot of problems, which I've been trying to fix. Searching for "Io" brings you to "faction," searching for "bub" brings you to "Bubonix," searching for "Hel" or "Hell" brings you to "soulshell," "Dis" pulls up "Dispater," "Ra" points to "razorvine," "plane" goes to "List of Planescape Products," "realm" goes to "Far Realm," "Shar" goes to "Ankashar," "arcanaloth" goes to "Tower of the Arcanaloths," and there are probably other issues I haven't found yet.

What I've been doing is writing disambiguation lines at the top of some of the entries. So "razorvine" says "for the Egyptian deity, see Ra," and I've made the word "Ra" a direct link to the proper article.

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The entry for Piscaetheses should include a reference to Drizzt Do'Urden's Guide to the Underdark. That's where the name for the Blood Queen was first specified.

(Specifically, The Night Below invented the Night Queen and DDGttU is where I named her. Lords of Madness is where this name was canonized for generic D&D.)

--Eric

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We'd be glad to update that! Smiling

I knew your login name sounded familiar... don't forget you can always go in and edit the entry yourself as well should you spot anything else, tis one of the powers that come with your account. Smiling

Edit: Fixed up Smiling The reference is now listed.

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What you should be able to find here are over 1500 entries on various subjects throughout the Planes.

The introtext should probably be something else than a blatant lie, don't you think Clueless?` Sticking out tongue

3000 *Ahem*

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Mmmmm. Go through for me and clean out the entries that are duplicates or mis-spellings - then tell me if we cracked 3k. Eye-wink *GRIN*

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I've been falling behind on that one. I delete a few entries every day, but it's hard to keep up.

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I know. Want me to turn off the entry gathering system again now that we seem to have a lot to work with?

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Yeah, I think so. I started falling behind when I created an article listing every magic item in the Planewalker's Handbook, Faction War, and half the ones from the Planar Handbook, then had to start making individual articles for each one. I knew that would be exhausting going into it.

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Lord... wow. Ok - I'll go toggle that off then to give us a chance to catch up.

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I update Zivilyn entry as a long destroyed planet near Krynn. The source is
2e dragonlance. That is also mentioned in "Taladas: Time of the Dragon" a website dedicated to converting Taladas to the 3rd edition rules. That web is now archived on Dragonlance Nexus.

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'Alder_Fiter_Galaz' wrote:
I update Zivilyn entry as a long destroyed planet near Krynn.

Zivilyn is still there (it's the fifth planet in Krynn's solar system), but all life seems to have been wiped from it by an ancient cataclysm. The best sources are the Spelljammer boxed set and Krynnspace; I'm not sure if any specifically Dragonlance materials mention it. Generally speaking, fan-created websites aren't considered valid sources for the encyclopedia.

Most of the Krynnish gods have planets or moons named for them. The only one that doesn't is Branchala, I think.

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http://planewalker.com/encyclopedia/node/

I might be nitpicking, but:
Amauntor is supposed to be Amaunator,
And it is subjective and debatable yet if he is reborn as Lathander, which i am firmly against. And has not yet in canon been 'proven'.
So you could put the entry as; It theorized that he might be Lathander reborn, but no one has been able to prove this as fact yet.

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Please, feel free to add that to the entry (you have an account, so you can edit the entry) You may want to include source references if you can of course.

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Please, feel free to add that to the entry (you have an account, so you can edit the entry) You may want to include source references if you can of course.

Just did, hopefully in a none-biased way, i am myself against this preposterous idea, as Lathander has nothing to do with Amaunator story wise, it is only because the new game designers of WOTC are fiddling with the pantheon that this kind of 'crap' comes into being (no hurt or insult intended, just venting my opinion)

me Eye-wink

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So what's the consensus about adding 4e lore to the encyclopedia?

Obviously, in many cases the underlying assumptions are so different that including 4e stuff is going to be more confusing than helpful. It's a completely different setting. I don't think saying "In 4e eladrins are natives of the Feywild" would help anyone understand the Planescape setting, though saying "Unlike in 4e, in Planescape eladrins are celestials who personify benign chaos" might.

On the other hand, little bits could be included without harm. For example, saying "Erathis is a goddess of civilization. Source: 4e Player's Handbook" wouldn't take anything away from the Planescape assumptions. I'm in no hurry to do this, however, since it doesn't really have anything to do with Planescape as such. I haven't even added entries for the Book of Exalted Deeds deities yet, and they're pretty solidly Great Wheel.

Anyone have any thoughts on this subject for what the policy should be? Generally I think 4e material is outside the scope of the Planewalker encyclopedia until or if WotC releases a 4e version of Planescape - and even then, it might be better to create a separate encyclopedia to catalog that stuff, since it's bound to contradict the 1e-3e lore in places. But I wouldn't object to some minor leakage in places, as long as the sources are clearly identified.

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Since they've gone to such a massive effort to break from the previous without syncing anythign up I'm inclined to handle it as separate encyclopedia.

Otherwise I would suggest a standard format if within the articles of: First 1-3.5 stuff followed by sources. Then fourth ed, followed by sources. That should allow the material to be available in one place and a clear demarcation considering how drastically different some things are. (The eladrin entry for example.) It may be worthwhile to have a running list of articles with 4th ed stuff in them as a separate entry.

On the other hand - I'm currently working on a Major site upgrade that I hope to have in testing within the next week or two which will allow us to handle new content and an additional wiki with the greatest of ease. It also comes with a whole host of other benefits including less work on my end to maintain code and extra features we're currently missing throughout the site. Given that - I would hold off on adding new 4th ed entries for a week or two in anticipation of having a new playground to set it up on.

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I'm not certain it's worth the effort, though if 4E planar lore is to be incorporated into the existing encyclopedia or added to a new one, I'd suggest holding off until the 4E Manual of the Planes comes out later this year. The few pages in the DMG just aren’t much to go by.

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A lot of forums that deal with specific subject matters seem to forget to put up something like this. And in as much as the internet is wide and open for everyone to fully utilize, it is a great idea to put a lot of things together that would benefit them in its entirety. There would be no need now to get out of the site just so you could get your hands on some needed information that you get elsewhere.

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