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Actually you just need the track feat and the appropiate skill ranks if you didn't want to blow a level on ranger.

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Actually you just need the track feat and the appropiate skill ranks if you didn't want to blow a level on ranger.

Possibly silly question: I thought that one's PC needs to meet the prerequisites of a prestige class (in this case, the track feat and dungeoneering ranks) before taking any levels in that prestige class. Is it normally possible to take a level in a prestige class without having track and the skill levels beforehand, as long as one takes the feat and skill ranks as part of level 1 of that class?

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If I correctly remember, you can take a feat you are due for level (1, 3, 6, 9 etc.) and on the same level take a prestige class that needs that feat as a prereq. yes.
Skills is different, as you get them from the actual class level itself, not from being the character.

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If I correctly remember, you can take a feat you are due for level (1, 3, 6, 9 etc.) and on the same level take a prestige class that needs that feat as a prereq. yes. Skills is different, as you get them from the actual class level itself, not from being the character.

Ya'shenn would need both the feat and the skill ranks. Would she need another level of Psion (to get the ranks in Knowledge: Dungeoneering) beforehand? It's a class skill for both (3.5) psions and the PrC.

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Zimrazim wrote:
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Actually you just need the track feat and the appropiate skill ranks if you didn't want to blow a level on ranger.

Possibly silly question: I thought that one's PC needs to meet the prerequisites of a prestige class (in this case, the track feat and dungeoneering ranks) before taking any levels in that prestige class. Is it normally possible to take a level in a prestige class without having track and the skill levels beforehand, as long as one takes the feat and skill ranks as part of level 1 of that class?


DM does not care. PrC's always seemed too hard to reach anyway. Go for it.

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Yay Smiling

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http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/prestigeClasses/slayer.htm

Ya'shenn with 1 level in illithid slayer:

Proficiency with all martial weapons and all armor types
+1 BAB
Favored enemy (guess): +2 to bluff, listen, sense motive, spot, survival checks vs illithids
+2 damage vs illithids

Enemy sense: Automatically sense presence of mind flayers within 60', but not exact location

I'm assuming that "favored enemy" here means a specific monster type (illithids) and not a general monster type such as "aberrations." Not really sure.

New feat: Track

New skill ranks:
Knowledge (dungeoneering): 4 ranks
1 new rank in Sense Motive
2 new ranks in Psicraft

New powers:
Telekinetic Thrust
Death Urge

Not bad. Smiling

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hmmz, perspectives open up in my mind Smiling

Azure, I restated an earlier question, and answered yours in PM's

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Amusingly enough, the ideal way to take advantage of the Telekinetic Thrust ability would be to carry around huge numbers of weapons a la Gy-Nath. Eye-wink Ya'shenn could throw... nine weapons at once with the ability.

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with any accuracy? maybe buy a few MW daggers?

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Remember Zim the first level of slayer does not advance your manifesting level.

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Bah - I read the class description incorrectly. She wouldn't gain additional psionic powers until reaching second level as a slayer.

It's more important right now for Ya'shenn to have the new powers than it is for her to have the 1st-level slayer class abilities. Sad

Re: Telekinetic Thrust: Assuming a pure psion level, +7 to hit for each weapon plus any masterwork/magical weapon bonuses. So +8 in most circumstances, +9 for a weapon or two. (Attacks using telekinesis use the Int bonus for the attack roll, not Str or Dex.)

If she had a level of slayer as well, I think it would be +8 plus bonuses, with each weapon doing +2 damage to an illithid on top of that.

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Nice about the telekinetics Zimmy.. shame about the psi level.
Although its better this way I guess. I will not state my level add, as its something the PC's should not know.. Eye-wink
Suffice to know i will be able to use healing scrolls and items, so i will per example be buying a wand of healing x, this way it will relieve Ya'shenn a lot from her only healing position.

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Is there any chance that Master Pale's ships have any healing wands in there inventory and if so what chance does Kirath have of snagging one. Because he has used one totally up and has 23 charges on the second. As we are headed to battle and will probably be used as a suicide squad (at least the Heretics will) Kirath would like some chance of survival

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Blade dancer, Unless you have healing spells in your spell repertoire, you cannot actually use such items..
Unless of course you have "Use Magic Device"ranks..
I do notice you have the "deceive item" class ability, which helps Eye-wink, but it still means you have to make checks every time you use a wand for which you do not actually know the spells.
Thats the advantage of being a Bard, Cleric or Ghustil, they can use such without any checks and chances of failure (or any other class that has the specific spells in their spell-list that you want on the wand).

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Warlocks have UMD as a class skill plus the ability to take 10 on it at any time. That is one reason I took the class.

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yea, i added some extra's to the previous post when i checked the class. Smiling But tbh i am not sure if I ever saw you make a skill check when using the wand... (I might have missed it simply)

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With as many ranks and charisma bonus I have plus how low the level the spells in thw wands were (max 3rd level) combined withe ability to take 10. Icould not fail the check.

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What happened to all the gold, platinum, etc. that Ii was carrying? (From the safe that Gy-Nath disintegrated.) Is it possible to ask for/buy any particular items/equipment from Pale's forces?

A dorje with this might be nice, as would be some masterwork weapons.

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As we are headed to battle and will probably be used as a suicide squad (at least the Heretics will) Kirath would like some chance of survival

Kirath isn't the only party member who doesn't like Pale. Eye-wink

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Double postiness.

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Bladedancer wrote:
With as many ranks and charisma bonus I have plus how low the level the spells in thw wands were (max 3rd level) combined withe ability to take 10. Icould not fail the check.
Ok, cool Laughing out loud

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What happened to all the gold, platinum, etc. that Ii was carrying? (From the safe that Gy-Nath disintegrated.) Is it possible to ask for/buy any particular items/equipment from Pale's forces?

Kirath isn't the only party member who doesn't like Pale. Eye-wink


LOL, well, I have been asking the DM almighty how much we have now Eye-wink, and besides that he hinted at me that items we want from other githyanki, would be more done under trade of items of likewise value, not "buying as we know it", I for one would love to get some items bought, but i think we have to get to a major graith city for that.

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Zimrazim wrote:
A dorje with this might be nice, as would be some masterwork weapons.
I have seen a similar description for a Athasian spell, but then with Obsidian shards and much more powerful, think along the lines of Fireball and Cone of Cold Eye-wink, i love the feeling of that spell, hmmz....

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As we are headed to battle and will probably be used as a suicide squad (at least the Heretics will) Kirath would like some chance of survival
We all want that Sticking out tongue, do not worry.. I need new armour and some other bits like a circlet and ... and ... Laughing out loud

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With my discussions i am not trying to be a rules lawyer or a jerk, but I simply want to feel like I made character choices that make me special, and if some game mechanics are ignored, that "specialness" goes out the door..

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btw, seeing as we are only 3,5 players atm, I have taken the liberty of asking Bruce if he is interested in joining, I hope no one minds..
He used to be a cool guy in the "We are not quite dead yet" campaign.

And look! the whole scooby gang is here, lol 4 of the 5 involved, not bad, unfortunately i have to run now, so i will be back in a few hours.. will read up then.

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Actually, some alchemist's fire might be useful as well. Throwing nine vials of that at once into an army of barbarians...

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I honestly had no problem with all the questions myself. I picked out the wands I started with because it takes alot out of Yashenn power point wise to heal the party. The way I look at it the more healing the better. Oh maybe I am slow but did Dunamin drop out of the game?

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Oh maybe I am slow but did Dunamin drop out of the game?

Haven't seen him post on Planewalker since April.

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Ok I guess I am slow

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Oh I was wondering if you guys would mind me using your characters as npcs in a planescape campaign I will be running for my players.

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Tabletop game?

How many of your PCs have low or so-so Will saves? Sticking out tongue

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I'm debating whether to stay with Psion (not just for this level but future levels) or head toward illithid slayer.

If I don't want to go for the illithid slayer PrC, I'd replace Track with Power Penetration (especially if it's the 3.5 version).

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From a PM Azure wrote to me:

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Azure 10/31/2009 - 01:13

I forget how much I said before. The coinage comes mostly from the safe at the Packing House. There should have been a chest that the Illithid in the dungeon at Hlondeth had to pay for the slaves, plus some from the looted bodies of the noble Yuan-ti. I don't think you picked any more up anywhere (but there is still the lion shield from the Hive Brothel), so I'm going to say grand total of ....

10,000 gp

but no, there is no way to spend any of it yet.

Nothing much to add, i was however thinking of Ii'Jyka screwing the others a bit by saying she has less gold Sticking out tongue
But i think I won't Eye-wink

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Yes Burning Spear a tabletop game. I don't know what they are making character wise yet.But I am sure there will be a meat-shield or 3 as they are usually a pretty melee heavy bunch so a few should have some low will saves. They will be starting at 6th level or so.

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It was Zimmy who asked that question Sticking out tongue

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I was looking at the Sanctified Mind PrC (LoM) for Ar'Dru but noticed that it requires a non-evil alignment. Could we waive this as it seems pretty well suited to Githyanki? I was also eyeing up the Illithid hunter class but would take a level or so to get the skill points together.

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Azriael wrote:
I was looking at the Sanctified Mind PrC (Exp Psionics Handbook) for Ar'Dru but noticed that it requires a non-evil alignment. Could we waive this as it seems pretty well suited to Githyanki? I was also eyeing up the Illithid hunter class but would take a level or so to get the skill points together.

Assuming this is the same Sanctified Mind found in Lords of Madness:

Game-mechanics wise I can see that PrC existing among the githyanki, but the order itself would probably be quite different in nature. For example, focused hatred of illithids (not necessarily all evil psionic creatures -- most githyanki are evil psionic creatures), the order would most likely be composed of githyanki/duthka'giths exclusively, and so on.

I'm guessing that you're considering the manifesters within the order, not the divine-caster arm of the PrC. Eye-wink

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Yep on both accounts

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Comment to Azure:

Psion leveling chart, 3.0 version, p. 7 of the Psionics Handbook

Psion leveling chart, 3.5 version:

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/classes/psion.htm

Basically, 3.5-wise, a 9th-level psion could technically pick up two 5th-level powers.

Including perhaps this one.

Amusing how much high-level psionic (and magical) powers can mess with a plotline, isn't it? Smiling

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Azriael wrote:
I was looking at the Sanctified Mind PrC (Exp Psionics Handbook) for Ar'Dru but noticed that it requires a non-evil alignment. Could we waive this as it seems pretty well suited to Githyanki? I was also eyeing up the Illithid hunter class but would take a level or so to get the skill points together.

By all means. As for illithid hunter, if the class level itself gave you the points for the pre-requisites, you can do that. That's assuming the DM doesn't look at the class as say
"nah, that pre-req looks stupid" which has happened, and decides to waive it.

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Psion leveling chart, 3.0 version, p. 7 of the Psionics Handbook

Psion leveling chart, 3.5 version:

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/classes/psion.htm

Basically, 3.5-wise, a 9th-level psion could technically pick up two 5th-level powers.

Including perhaps this one.

Amusing how much high-level psionic (and magical) powers can mess with a plotline, isn't it? Smiling


Sticking out tongue By all means. Get the power. Use it. Oh ... but you can't get back to Sigil that way. And, wasn't there a problem getting to the Astral, because of the Void Bombs (evilDM)?

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Do you want a Knowledge (illithids) in the game, or is that simply part of Knowledge (dungeoneering) or Knowledge (psionics)? In case the party encounters more neothelids. Eye-wink

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Basicly, know (dungeon) will give basic info on flayer abilities and habits, know (psi) would provide info on 'thids' powers and mental abilities, including psionic items. Know (illithids) is far more specific, but necessary for in-depth knowledge of illithid culture, society, physical variants, etc. As it is a useless skill if not dealing with illithids, it is a powerful skill for when you do.

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From Dungeon/Polyhedron: Githyanki/duthka'giths of 9th level or higher get telekinesis 3x/day and plane shift 3x/day. I doubt they get plane shift in this game due to the Lich-Queen's disappearance, but what about the TK?

Complete Psionic has a Githyanki Racial Class, in which they get telekinetic thrust instead.

So do our githyanki/half-dragons get telekinesis 3/day, telekinetic thrust 3/day or neither?

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According to the 3.5 version here, they get TK thrust and Plane Shift. My own modification is that you can substitute another power for one of these with DM approval (i.e. it is not too unbalanced and makes sense with the character)

You can therefore take TK, or TK thrust, and Plane Shift. The Plane Shift ability of high-level githyanki has been (temporarily?) disrupted by Vlaakith's void bombs. Travel to the Astral is impossible, and travel to other planes through the Astral (outer planes or parallel primes) is difficult at best. Travel to the inner planes my be easier, but where would one want to go in this direction?

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this shifting of the prerequisites of the PrC's to their actual first level creates a whole new ballgame...

Edit, corrected spelling.

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I'm just saying, that the PrCs are hard to qualify for sometimes. If I, as a DM, were making an NPC with a PrC, I'd end up just counting skillpoints and assigning them anyway, therefore "qualifying" using skill points gained by that level. So why can't PCs do that to open up their options as characters? That's what PrC's are for. Heck, in 2e, it was easy enough to choose non-weapon proficiencies and equipment to get a "look" that would diffentiate characters to fit a theme, using nothing but fighter class levels.

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heh, echo, cool Eye-wink

I wasn't saying it was wrong or bad, just it changes a lot imo. Sticking out tongue

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It's gone dead-silent all suddenly, hmmz..

*COUGH* Sticking out tongue

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Yea. I'll post something again soon .....

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I'm wondering if Ii could find out more about the White Lady and/or the Young Heir. Eye-wink

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