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BoG'r OOC.
BoGr Guide to Missile Combat:
1) Equip a bow or crossbow.
2) Roll a natural 1 on d20.
3) ?????
4) Profit!
Welcome Burning Spear!
Heh, well aren't we the budding group of martial artists! I've got about 9 years of Taekwondo and now teach a few nights a week. I've also played around with a few other styles focussing on Ninjitsu and Hapkido for a couple of years.
"We're making a better world. All of them, better worlds." - Anonomous Harmonium Officer
Hey, Azure. Zimrazim just popped up in my game thread and told me to join your game thread. Given that three of your players are also my players (although, oddly, not Zim) it was probably inevitable. Zim suggested I play a Gith Pirate, but I'm open to anything. So, can I play?
Question, guys/ gals:
why do you all think In Game that i was not respectful?
I was under the impression i was neutral and not insulting at all...
hmmz, maybe just a tough croud to get along with?
why do you all think In Game that i was not respectful?
I was under the impression i was neutral and not insulting at all...
hmmz, maybe just a tough croud to get along with?
I think several factors congregate to this reception, but there is very significant cause for paranoia:
* The PCs have experienced pretty deep treachery lately (Grazz, their power bloc affiliates, general mind flayer nastiness).
* They're about to embark on a major raid on Illithid House - anyone trying to get involved at this point is potentially a spy that could compromise the whole operation.
* A demand for "recompense" does seem like an invitation to conflict. Considering how this can affect the raid, that's a pretty strong motivator to be on edge.
I'm not sure there's any way she could have gotten a warm welcome with all these parts in mind, short of being an associate of someone the PCs already trusts. Don't worry about it, though, I think we've all had a good deal experience with how to resolve these sort of scenarios by now. :mrgreen:
Nobody's died yet :help!!:
Stating that you will indulge us with an introduction is probably the wrong way to approach Ar'dru. He thinks that he's far better than you by right of birth so, at best, he feels that he is indulging you by listening to you (a complete stranger) introduce yourself.
Also, your answer to Ya'shenn was somewhat rude and you seem to have a bone to pick with Du'minh- whom Ar'dru regards as a battle-brother. This all amounts to Ar'dru being rather poorly disposed to you at the moment but you haven't really gotten his blood up yet.
Nothing that can't be smoothed over fairly quickly.
"We're making a better world. All of them, better worlds." - Anonomous Harmonium Officer
Sure. We'll talk.
Stating that you will indulge us with an introduction is probably the wrong way to approach Ar'dru. He thinks that he's far better than you by right of birth so, at best, he feels that he is indulging you by listening to you (a complete stranger) introduce yourself.
Also, your answer to Ya'shenn was somewhat rude and you seem to have a bone to pick with Du'minh- whom Ar'dru regards as a battle-brother. This all amounts to Ar'dru being rather poorly disposed to you at the moment but you haven't really gotten his blood up yet.
Nothing that can't be smoothed over fairly quickly.
Note though that i havent let shine yet how much i loath crossbreeds.. especially when the gith-race is being fouled by a race that should be ridden
nothing that cant be smoothed over in some ages to come lol
Actually, half dragons and githyanki tend to view each other in a fairly positive light, a dragon isn't viewed as a mount as much as it is an ally.
thats general oppinion, and?, a character does not have to be conform anything, otherwise he would not stand out
besides, it was not the point i was making actually... :mrgreen:
..........
I noticed in the Dungeon:
Ar'dru is a name written there in the same spelling exactly, for a Ftr5/Wiz5/holocaust warrior3 (Gish)...
[The aura of the sheathed weapon on her back drowns out every other aura in the vacinity. Even those auras of the magic carried by Ya'shenn and Ar'dru are difficult to distinguish in its shadow!]
Didn't see that one coming! :shock:
Perhaps some sort of weapon-focused prestige class?
Dungeon #100: "Most githyanki barely tolerate and secretly detest the duthka'giths. Some believe the lich-queen has perverted the pact with the red dragons and strayed from the wishes of Gith; others fear that the duthka'giths are the mad queen's attempt to "perfect" the githyanki race -- a grim harbinger of things to come."
It's worth noting that the duthka'giths are a created race; they didn't come about normally from githyanki and red dragons doing... well, you know. Duthka'giths are probably a fairly divisive social issue among githyanki these days.
BoGr Guide to Missile Combat:
1) Equip a bow or crossbow.
2) Roll a natural 1 on d20.
3) ?????
4) Profit!
I was talking more about the actual red dragons, not duthka'giths. Githyanki racial purity is an entirely diferent animal altogether. A dragon rider would probably want to be on good terms with the someone whose life they entrust in part to in a fight. They wouldn't value a dragon as much as annother githyanki, certainly, but I doubt they'd treat thier mounts with outright contempt. Friendly fire, and all. (pun intended)
Hopefully I'll get a chance to expand on it before this campaign's done.
"We're making a better world. All of them, better worlds." - Anonomous Harmonium Officer
[The aura of the sheathed weapon on her back drowns out every other aura in the vacinity. Even those auras of the magic carried by Ya'shenn and Ar'dru are difficult to distinguish in its shadow!]
Didn't see that one coming! :shock:
Perhaps some sort of weapon-focused prestige class?
Or 'just' a powerfull weapon?
That'd make sense. This is D&D sense is illegal here.
OK, some of Ya'shenn's mental process:
All of these come off to Ya'shenn as incredibly rude. That's not to say that rude githyanki officers don't exist -- I'm sure they do. Compare, however, with the leadership style of Gy-Nath and even Lahar. (Lahar is obviously arrogant, but he didn't belittle the party members at any point.)
It's possible to say "No, I can't tell you that" in a way that doesn't come off as condescending and dismissive (though, obviously, it depends on whether your character would DO that). And of course, if one's character is rude, expect others to react to the rudeness.
Add to this that:
* Ii'Jyka'Vaar apparently figured out that Du'minh killed the sharpener
* Ii'Jyka'Vaar apparently figured out that Du'minh was staying at Gy-Nath's. Gy-Nath would know that, and the other party members would know that, but not that many other people would.
* Ii'Jyka'Vaar has never mentioned any association with Gy-Nath
She's starting to wonder if the dragon rider might be on Team Will, and is also wondering if Ii'Jyka'Vaar intends to kill or otherwise mess with Du'minh.
BoGr Guide to Missile Combat:
1) Equip a bow or crossbow.
2) Roll a natural 1 on d20.
3) ?????
4) Profit!
~She seeks recompense for the sharpener! Possibly Will's creature...?
PLEASE, say that out loud, i will slap you so silly, you wont be able to sit for weeks, insulting me, with your own paranoia. :mrgreen:
All of these come off to Ya'shenn as incredibly rude. That's not to say that rude githyanki officers don't exist -- I'm sure they do. Compare, however, with the leadership style of Gy-Nath and even Lahar. (Lahar is obviously arrogant, but he didn't belittle the party members at any point.)
It's possible to say "No, I can't tell you that" in a way that doesn't come off as condescending and dismissive (though, obviously, it depends on whether your character would DO that). And of course, if one's character is rude, expect others to react to the rudeness.
I stated my name, my reason for adressing you and am neutral, not agressive,
yet you have me waiting in the rain, with my 'interest' in the building next to us, and give me nothing in return.
Your silence regarding who you are and what you could do to help a situation of this kind dont make me any happier also, the least you could have done for sake of politeness is name yourself.
The only thing i see you doing is fishing for info, your not even trying to mediate for or in behaf of your ally.
I 'could' see it as an insult you:
* dont even invite me to neutral ground, or somewhere dry,
* and dont even reply my name with yours.
She's starting to wonder if the dragon rider might be on Team Will, and is also wondering if Ii'Jyka'Vaar intends to kill or otherwise mess with Du'minh.
*Don't need to, might have nothing to do with that 'person',
you dont ask her sirect questions, so you wont get direct answers, besides, the give and take is realistic imo, and stands.
I stated I wanted recompense, i did not state i want to kill him right from the beginning, thats your paranoia, your assuming way to much.
To tell the truth, I've been contemplating Gy-Nath coming along to take control of the situation, but I'm liking the paranoid/rude/suspicious/subtilly agressive interaction here.
:mrgreen: :oops: :shock: , i bet you do
Going to go over this slowly.
Yeah, I saw this before you edited in the smiley to make it look better. I do not appreciate OOC threats to beat up other players.
Not only is Ii'Jyka'Vaar not neutral, she's treating Ya'shenn as if she were a doormat. Do you really expect her not to react to that? A statement like "am neutral, not aggressive" is nonsensical in the face of
You are free to play a character who's rude, dismissive, and imperious, but I will not allow you to sit here and say "I'm being neutral, not aggressive!" Do you think I'm stupid?
Until the last post, Ii'Jyka'Vaar never asked for Ya'shenn's name -- in fact, I doubt it even occurred to her to do so. Instead, she merely made repeated demands for 'recompense' from Du'minh and continuously belitted Ya'shenn, without providing any information at all to lead her to believe that Ii'Jyka'Vaar could be trusted. Now, it's possible to say something like "This is something that really needs to be handled indoors, anyone might be listening," or something else relatively diplomatic, but Ii'Jyka'Vaar is going about this in the most insulting manner possible. Until the most recent post, Ya'shenn had every reason to believe that she meant Du'minh harm, and for that matter, still believes that might be the case. 'Give and take' does not mean 'take and take,' and after being repeatedly insulted, Ya'shenn has no reason to believe Ii'Jyka'Vaar worthy of trust.
Yes, of course, it's ICly possible that Ii'Jyka'Vaar had some legitimate way to find out that Du'minh was at Gy-Nath's that evening. Absolutely none of those would strike Ya'shenn as being likely at this point. I hope you're able to understand that, and understand that suggesting legitimate possibilities on the OOC board wouldn't change her opinion.
Overall, I'm particularly concerned that you, the player, don't seem to understand where I'm coming from. You may think that your character is being "neutral, not aggressive," but it's definitely not coming off that way to me...
BoGr Guide to Missile Combat:
1) Equip a bow or crossbow.
2) Roll a natural 1 on d20.
3) ?????
4) Profit!
I think Burning Spear has no desire to be rude, Zim. The fact that the character 'Vaar' is, is actually somehat EvilDM's fault. Dramatic tension and some such.
IC, Vaar saw Du'minh steal "her kill", morover there are likely a mix of strange emotions mixed into this, as everyone will see when 'Vaar' decides to explain herself and exactly who the sharpener was and why she seeks restitution (please do).
Burning Spear, it seems you have insulted Zimrazim somewhat. In such situations it is often human nature to get one's back up. Just in case, don't. Simply appologize and we shall move forward.
I really don't mean to be offensive or to inflame this situation any further but is English your second language Burning Spear? I noticed in your earlier post that you are from the Netherlands and since you explained that you were not intending to be rude I have been operating under the assumption that this was the issue.
If this is the case it's no problem and we can just interpret what Ii'Jyka'Vaar says IC in the light of what you say ooc.
"We're making a better world. All of them, better worlds." - Anonomous Harmonium Officer
If this is the case it's no problem and we can just interpret what Ii'Jyka'Vaar says IC in the light of what you say ooc.
OK, ill react post for post,
Yes, English is a 2nd language, yes i am a Netherlander, but i am also rather 'proud' that my english is gramatically just as good as my Netherlandish is (aka Dutch), although i do still think from within the mindframe of my own language ofcourse, not 100% from english,
So, to answer your questions, Yes English is 2nd lang. and yes, this might be part of the 'miscomunication', although i am loath to say such
I don't really want to drag this out, but I'm capable of telling the difference between IC and OOC. I was very bothered by the fact that you loudly denied that Vaar's actions were, in fact, rude -- but only now do you admit that.
If anything, the player who typed
is the one who has a problem with IC/OOC separation. I mean, seriously. I'm not seeing "Ii'Jyka'Vaar will slap Ya'shenn silly," I'm seeing "I will slap you silly."
First you pretend that your character isn't being a jerk when you evidently know she is being deliberately rude:
Then you try to get away with an OOC threat. Do you really think I can't see what you're pulling?
Again, in-character conflict happens. Jhank'kor was a rather... aggressive character. Du'minh physically attacked Vivec at one point. There are probably other examples that I missed.
These conflicts all appeared relatively accepted at an OOC level by the players involved. I posted about Ya'shenn's thought processes to make sure you understood why she was responding the way she was.
I do not think it's cute when someone has their character being deliberately rude and bullying, then that character's player vehemently denies it out-of-game.
BoGr Guide to Missile Combat:
1) Equip a bow or crossbow.
2) Roll a natural 1 on d20.
3) ?????
4) Profit!
I never stated i agreed with your idea of me intentionally getting you felt as belitled, i was only stating your impression, not my intent.
I do not admit anything as u put it...
And i had not even yet replied to your post, no time yet, i replied to the ingame bit firstly though.
Yeah, I saw this before you edited in the smiley to make it look better. I do not appreciate OOC threats to beat up other players.
If you cannot see that a futile threat is nothing more then a load of sarcasm...(how in heavens name can i physically slap you silly in any way, when you probably live halfway across the globe from me...?!)
(this is probably a as Azriael put it, 'miscommunication in 2nd language', me trying to be just sarcastic, and you taking it personally)
Not only is Ii'Jyka'Vaar not neutral, she's treating Ya'shenn as if she were a doormat. Do you really expect her not to react to that? A statement like "am neutral, not aggressive" is nonsensical in the face of
My attempt at impartial neutrality was seen by you as insulting arrogance, it can happen, BUT, me the person was trying to be Neutral, even if YOU 'the player' AND 'character' might interpret it differently
Yes, of course, it's ICly possible that Ii'Jyka'Vaar had some legitimate way to find out that Du'minh was at Gy-Nath's that evening. Absolutely none of those would strike Ya'shenn as being likely at this point. I hope you're able to understand that, and understand that suggesting legitimate possibilities on the OOC board wouldn't change her opinion.
Finished, fire away
No, do not.
Burning Spear, what I was going for is for you to make a post something like:
Three sentences and we drop it instead of hammering that bent nail further.
Zimrazim, you too, please let it drop. Now. Burning Spear really didn't mean to insult you, though being longwinded about how you shouldn't have been insulted is an ineffective way to molify your feelings. Chalk it up to "It's easy to say the wrong thing online." or even "Whatever (hand)" Whatever you need to do to get over it, and we'll move on. Myself, I find petting a cat always improves my outlook on any situation (weak attempt at levity, but throw me a bone here, people).
P.S. This goes for everyone. One more post on this subject from anyone and I will take harsher measures. Not kidding.
Sorry for the 'stern dad' routine, but I'm here to have fun, not stress.
My latest in-game post may be slightly out-of-character for Du'minh, but I really want this issue to be resolved so we can move on.
*Calmer Now*
Breakin' my own rule here, but I wanna say a smiley
The name of this BoG'r is "Quicksilver Wars" precisely because I saw inter-githyanki bloc conflict as a central theme. Now, it just so happens that the raid on Illithid House is the device to keep the party a party. I didn't name the game "Burnin' Down The House" ( I like that :mrgreen: maybe we'll just start a new thred under that name when it comes time for the raid.)
I would love for BoG'r to continue for another couple story arcs, if it stays alive.
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BoG'r : Primal State. When the Lich Queen fell, whole armies of githwarriors were trapped on the Incursion Worlds. Now facing hordes of foes and scores of betayals, their empires are crumbling. Many githyanki have scattered to the planes, or made their way to fortress-nurseries. Others, losing all hope, plunge themselves into the Underdarks, seeking death and purpose in their pursuit of the Great Enemy. However, there are other whole legions who keep a grip on their fought-for gains. Any edge, such as supply lines coming through reliable planar hubs like Sigil, may turn back the tide of defeat. To the Power Blocs, these hardened warriors and their material-plane domains are resource that they must keep their rivals from contoling.
BoG'R : Curst With Knowledge. The (anti)heroes must travel to Curst to meet with Ghin-Raan the Hunted and Telas-Niah. Something is happening in Carceri that is tied to a strange book of illtihid 'history'. A host of illithid-foes are gathering in the gate-town of exile, drawn by the circle of time, and possibly the destiny of the multiverse.
BoG'r : Eyes of the Void. Ghin-Raan gives the party an important artifact to bring back to Schaaz-Khaal and the Silver Eyes. The Void Sphere is a sister artifact to two others, The Tesseract and The Trion Crystal. The Trion Crystal was lost long ago, and is now confirmed to be in the posession of the Ethergaunts. The Tesseract was damaged and hurled through the planes, and now lies at the core of the The Chaos Spire, a traveling demiplane from which few have returned. The Warp Sphere, if used correctly, could allow one to find, travel to, and possibly contol the other artifacts. There is likely to be violent resistance, so stout warriors will be needed too.
Breakin' my own rule here, but I wanna say a smiley
This current in-game situation is... interesting...
BoGr Guide to Missile Combat:
1) Equip a bow or crossbow.
2) Roll a natural 1 on d20.
3) ?????
4) Profit!
To Burning Spear: Gy-Nath is a 2nd edition character from another campaign, but I did a 3rd edition write-up some time ago to represent him. Problem was, the psionics rule. I liked the 2nd edition Psionics Handbook, and it got awesome reviews when it came out. Unfortunately, to give Gy-Nath his signiture powers, I had to up his Psion levels, which means his Fighter levels suffered to keep him in a reasonable ELC range for his character.
Expect a fair fight, mechanicly at least. :comeHere:
And here I was thinking he was a Psychic Warrior all this time.
BoGr Guide to Missile Combat:
1) Equip a bow or crossbow.
2) Roll a natural 1 on d20.
3) ?????
4) Profit!
He was a Psionicist/Fighter in 2nd ed. Psi-warriors don't have the powers he was known to be able to manifest, so I had to go Psion/Fighter. No I will not reveal levels, but I will roll true, so you may be able to figure it out.
Expect a fair fight, mechanicly at least. :comeHere:
I am not worried, though, i do wonder how 'first blood' will work, in a D&D system, as first blood basically means, whoever hits first wins, which is storywise not much worth... :mrgreen:
Maybe i could suggest:
Accounting half of the damage taken as subdual? as people will stay their hand and not fully go for kills?, (apart from magic used on the weapons)...first to go 'down', is the loser?... what you think?
We can use the rules variant for defensive rolls. Basicly you have the option of rolling instead of "taking 10" on your AC. If your AC were nomally, say, 19, you could instead do a d20+9 roll.
We can use the rules variant for defensive rolls. Basicly you have the option of rolling instead of "taking 10" on your AC. If your AC were nomally, say, 19, you could instead do a d20+9 roll.
For each attack seperate, or per round 1 roll?
I figured Zimrazim would be watching, she is the Instigator after all! trans_:p
We can use the rules variant for defensive rolls. Basicly you have the option of rolling instead of "taking 10" on your AC. If your AC were nomally, say, 19, you could instead do a d20+9 roll.
For each attack seperate, or per round 1 roll?
Hmmm ... I'll check, but I think it can be per attack.
Ar'dru is more subtle than he looks.
BoGr Guide to Missile Combat:
1) Equip a bow or crossbow.
2) Roll a natural 1 on d20.
3) ?????
4) Profit!
Ar'dru is more subtle than he looks.
Happy to oblige... lol
And to show the weapons looks and references:
http://www.enworld.org/gallery/showimage.php?i=1118&c=11
+ the 3 photo's before it, to give any idea.
Ar'dru is more subtle than he looks.
Heh, People always focus too much on the strength and AC bonuses that come with the Half dragon template.
"We're making a better world. All of them, better worlds." - Anonomous Harmonium Officer
Ar'dru is more subtle than he looks.
Heh, People always focus too much on the strength and AC bonuses that come with the Half dragon template.
Go guess why , because both are so insanely high, and effective? and thats the main reason why a warrior character wants to play that race at all? :mrgreen:
I don't know, some people might want to play duthka'giths for roleplaying reasons.
BoGr Guide to Missile Combat:
1) Equip a bow or crossbow.
2) Roll a natural 1 on d20.
3) ?????
4) Profit!
and to give all u peeps a scare anda laugh, hehe
http://www.enworld.org/gallery/showimage.php?i=1117&c=11
Me, tadaa