All these wars 'canon'?

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All these wars 'canon'?

I admit I'm actually not a big fan of this word, but since Planescape still is a book with seven seals to me and my only access to the feel of the setting is the PC game (besides spending a big bunch of money for goode olde game accessories or spending hours browsing the web filtering fan-made stuff from official one*), I hope it helps me to get behind the dark, if I find out how much of the fluff in the game is official Planescape material and how mach has been made up.
The point is that I always get the impression that this setting is too big and I have to know every single bit, or risk making nonsense that kills the purpose of the game, or create a place that is too plain or too strange and violates some ingame logic. Even FR with its myriads of novels ( that I don't read Eye-wink) seems to make it easier to put your very own stuff in it.

So, as an example, in the PC game we have an old veteran who sits in the Smoldering Corpse bar and tells you that he has been in the Blood War, the infernal War of Lies on Terras, the Black Centuries War, the Three-Planes War and many others, even the Harmonium War of Liberation.
Besides of the Blood War I've never heard of any of these wars. So... official, or made up (more examples are welcome)? Smiling

*Nothing against ideas of fans, of course, but it's a bit like judging a person you don't know yourself by the reports of a third one, IMHO.

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Sorry to resurrect a thread that has fallen off the first page, but truly this one shouldn't have fallen off that page. At least not without any response at all. So I'm not sorry?

The veteran planewalker from Torment (was his name Cadris or something?) is, as far as I know, making up all those things. I don't even remember them, and I feel like I'm reading those names for the first time when you write them. With the definite and pretty obvious exception of the Blood War. I, too, have a personal distaste for the word "canon," but the general rule is that stuff which Torment made up isn't automatically a part of the game, but some of it is so cool that it deserves to be (karach-wielding zerth warriors comes to mind).

Calmar, I hope you see this thread again, because you shouldn't feel intimidated by the amount of Planescape content out there. It's really just the result of very creative people who love the setting. However, in the past year a number of adventures have been written up trying to help initiate newcomers so that they can get Planescape off the ground and running. Armory99 led the effort to write an amazing adventure called "Desire and the Dead" and others have made their own introductory adventures to varying degrees of completeness. Maybe someone else can post here to point some of them out. Planescape may be complicated, but it's not impossible to employ the "narrow focus" campaign model and only expand outward (i.e. have to learn it all) at the rate that the campaign dictates.

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Thanks for the reply, Rhys!
I thought this thread would be completely dead and just found it again by accident. Smiling

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The veteran planewalker from Torment (was his name Cadris or something?) is, as far as I know, making up all those things. I don't even remember them, and I feel like I'm reading those names for the first time when you write them. With the definite and pretty obvious exception of the Blood War. I, too, have a personal distaste for the word "canon," but the general rule is that stuff which Torment made up isn't automatically a part of the game, but some of it is so cool that it deserves to be (karach-wielding zerth warriors comes to mind).

To stay with this example a bit longer, Does that mean, he is lying, or is he giving you true information that had but been created solely for the game? (I still have some trouble withe the finer nuances of English language. Puzzled ) So if the game's programmers were the DM, she would have invented these events in either case, right? Smiling

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Presumably he's giving true information that was invented for the purpose of the game, though in this particular case its information with little or no relevance to the overall plot.

It is worth noting, however, that there's really nothing stopping a DM from making these historical evens 'reality' as it were within planescape. The official history of the plaenscape setting is largely a blank. There are extremely few historical events of any importance recorded at all, and most of those that do exist, like the Great Upheaval, are very Sigil-centered.

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Basically, ditto to Mechalich's post, especially about the lack of historical events. Its also worth pointing out that given the endless size of the Planes, its (pardon the pun) infinitely possible that major wars - say the 'Three Planes War' - could occur in some relatively out of the way place and almost no one would have heard of it in the planes at large.

Of the wars themselves... They're pretty much news to me too, but I'm not a savant when it comes to obscure planar trivia (I recommend PM'ing Rip Van Wormer for that kind of thing Laughing out loud ) but I can add one titbit:

The Harmonium War of Liberation it mentions is possibly one of the two wars mentioned in the TSR Harmonium source materials (as opposed to the Planewalker The Ortho Project): Either the original war where the heroes of what would become the Harmonium pacified their planet (500 years ago), or the Harmonium's ill-fated invasion of the Abyss (!) a couple of hundred years ago (about the time they came to Sigil).

As I've said in other threads before, I think that the best way to treat 'semi-canon' (okay that terms even worse than 'canon', but bear with me...) materials like Planescape Torment / Pages of Pain is that they are real stories that people in the Sigil and the Planes tell - urban legends if you will about 'a book written by The Lady' and 'the man who cannot die.'

The real truth behind them however, your players will likely never know - but at least they can reference them in game without fear of stepping on the DM's creative toes (and the same applies to DMs of course).

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I believe it was "Ebb Creakknees" who was the war vet. I think Rhys may be thinking of "Candrian Illborne" the veteran planeswalker.

There has got to be wars going on all through the infinite planes all the time. It's not like the only war is the Blood War, that one just gets all the press because it's the biggest.

Aside from that, I suspect major battles fought in the Blood War may get dubbed with certain titles like "[Insert Name] War" simply because the scale is so large or the time period so long.

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