4E PLANESCAPE FACTIONS UPDATES

Do either of you wanna tackle some of the non-faction paths too? There are some non-faction Prestigue Classes in the PSCS that are really awesome.

I would start with the Classes in the PSCS as a good basis to work from: /editorial-section/30/35-pscs - Chapters 3 and 4

And catland93 is right about branching the non-faction classes and feats into a new thread. I think this is the right thread for that:

/forum/4e-planescape-general-feats-paths-and-rituals 

I haven't read through everything, but the Channel feats look good so far, as do the paragon paths, but some of the Initiate feats seem way to strong to me.

The Godsmen Initiate feat seems to be a particuarlly bad example. It grants you a +2 to two skills, and if your 1st level, lets you train then. Not game breaking, but certainly not horrible since you can translate it to an overall +7 bonus without any other modifiers. I'm not sure if Imbue Equipment actually pushes it into the better then everything else category, but it's very very good even if it doesn't. The extra time it takes does balance it a bit, but with both the price drop and the skill bonuses... it's really strong compared to everything else out there. The Craftsman Version of it works as a feat on it's own. Complete the Cycle just blows it out of the water. If I'm reading it right, it's not quite as good as Long Walk Back and Spontaneous Resurrection, but they're both 30th level Epic Path features (from Martial Power if anyone's wondering), so the point's a little moot. Way too powerful. Yeah, you have to contend with landing on a random plane, and your allies can't bring you back, but your still back from the dead at no cost. Little Faith isn't really a drawback, since it doesn't actually have and affect on any class that lacks a divine source, so it's really just flavoring, albeit very good flavoring. Most of them aren't this bad, but they're still head and shoulders above everything else. 

Now all that said, I think your ideas are brilliant, and do a very good job of bringing ideas into 4e. It's just that some of them need to be brought back in line with the feats that are provided in source books, and some of them, like Complete the Cycle, need to be their own feats. Hope this helps, and keep up the great work!

The bard's the exception rather then the rule though, isn't it? Anyhow, I don't think it's the end of the world if you have more then initiate feat, but I am trying to make sure that what goes in the 4e PSCS is somewhat in line with what WotC produces. If other people have the same soncerns as me, we can address it, if not, then I guess I'm just being paranoid. Again, everything else looks great, so it's not a huge concern.

I never said you could have an unlimited number, in fact I said quite the opposite in the next line, although I admit that I skipped a word, so that may have made it confusing. My thought process was that the restriction on multiclass feats might have been due to their power level, so you couldn't take multiple superior feats. If this were the case, I thought that having the same power level, then it may be appropriate to extend the restriction to one multiclass or one faction feat.

No, and I think it's an inspired idea. Putting some of the more powerful faction abilities in as rituals in exactly what you should have done, and I applaud you for an excellent design.

My point was that I thought some tweaking was need before some of these feats move on to the PSCS, and I was just trying to suggest some ideas that may do this. That said, if no one else has these concerns, I'll conseed that I was off-base. No offense was intended. 

Okay, this isn't quite what you asked for, but in light of the Dragonmark feats in the Eberron Player's guide, which are very similar to your Initiate feats, I'd like to withdraw my comments about the feats being over powered. It think a couple of them need tinkering, but most of them are about on par with the Dragonmarks.

I think what is desperately needed by most of the factions in paragon and epic teir feats.I'll see if I can't come up with any once I have a little time.

I think Catland moved her work over here: http://www.scribd.com/doc/8972149/Planescape-Factions-4e

Catland? Is that the latest link for your PDF?

Another thing I'd add is more consideration to newer 4e classes like the Invoker, Avenger and Shaman.  And the fact in 4e no class has alignment restrictions, such that Monks can be Chaotic Neutral, Barbarians can be Lawful Neutral and Paladins can Chaotic Evil or True Neutral or whatever.  Thus you can clearly have Anarchist Paladins, Guvner Bards, Xaositect Monks and Hardhead Barbarians in 4e, they'd just generally be rare as far as members of those factions go.

I'd go with describing a certain number of divine domains for each faction, but that's happening in another thread.

Thanks Catland! I wanted to make sure I had the right version