Father Rao - the Kryptonian god - where would his realm be?

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Father Rao - the Kryptonian god - where would his realm be?

Father Rao and the other Kryptonian deities do not really belong in the D&D world, I guess,if you´re a purist, but if they did, where would their realms be? Most especially Raos realm. Arcadia, perhaps?

Background: My players were tasked by the Norse god Loke to kill mortal scientist from Krypton that had taken over planet of primitive humans. He was trying to elevate the race to perfection, as he saw it, and was worshipped as a god (the planet had a yellow sun so that made him quite godlike). They managed to kill him, with a kryptonium bullet, but bungled the part of discrediting him in front of his millions of believers, so he became a god thanks to their faith.

For years they have been trying to correct their mistake and kill him after his ascent to godhod, with Eilistraees moon sword, amongst other things. The Godslayers attempted another tactic and tried to exterminate all his believers with a biological weapon (since he was worshipped on one planet only, they saw their chance). This was a bit too much for my players, and they surprisingly decided to ally themselves with him instead, and attacked the Godslayers.

Then a proxy of the Kryptonian goddess Yuda approached them and told them that the Kryptonian pantheon was bemused by the fact that a Kryptonian mortal had attained true godhood. They were unsure of which of three responses to choose: 1. Destroy him. 2. Exile him to the Phantom Zone 3. Welcome him into their own ranks.

They asked the players, god creators as they are, to give their advice. Very flattering, naturally.

What would his niche in the pantheon be? Science? Order?

I´m not that familiar with the Kryptonian gods. If there already are some resources on them with regards to how to include them into Planescape, I´m more than happy with just a link.

Thank you :-)

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The only description of him

The only description of him you've given is that he was a scientist, so about the only thing I can say is that if the pantheon wants to take him, then science seems like a plausible element of his portfolio.

If he was treated as being godlike before his death because of his Kryptonian strength and toughness, those could easily be elements of his portfolio as well -- to the point that he could even survive death, so that resurrections get included too.

The combination of the two would make a god of foresight and planning: "knowledge gained and used to prepare, defend, and survive."

As to whether accepting him is a good idea, that's up to the pantheon. You haven't told us anything he's done that would be worth destroying him or Phantom Zoning him over. Did he hurt people? Was he lying about being a god when he wasn't one yet? Why did Loki want him dead -- I guess he's lawful?

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Here is a more elaborate description of him:

- He´s obsessed with achieving perfection. He turned an entire planet on the Prime Material plane into a gigantic eugenic experiment.
- He is extremely rational - for good and bad. On the positive side: He is not at all inclined to avenge himself against the mortals that killed him. It would serve no useful purpose, and after all they are the reason he ascended in the first place. On the other hand his cold reasoning led him to exterminate an entire continent in order to contain the threat against his faithful posed by the godslayers biological weapon.
- He is obsessed with order and hierarchy. Everyone should have a purpose, which they excel at, and everyone should have their fixed place in society, and be content with that.
- He had all the powers that a Kryptonian get when they are exposed to the radiation of a yellow sun. It may not have been his wish that his followers focused on these physical aspects when they worshiped him before his ascension, but they most certainly did.
- He was not a believer himself. None of the Kryptonian gods have ever recieved a prayer from him when he was a mortal (they are quite aware of this, by the way).

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As to whether accepting him is a good idea, that's up to the pantheon. You haven't told us anything he's done that would be worth destroying him or Phantom Zoning him over. Did he hurt people? Was he lying about being a god when he wasn't one yet? Why did Loki want him dead -- I guess he's lawful?

He most certainly hurt people on a massive scale, but in his own eyes he was aiding the primitive people he ruled over. He ruthlessly pursued the goal of "purifying" a population of cro magnon like humans to turn them into a perfect race. This meant rooting out a lot of unfit individuals, but he did not take any pleasure in killing them, it just had to be done. He is most definitely not a sadist, but he is utterly ruthless in the pursuit of his goals.

And yes, he was lying about being a god. Not because he enjoyed being worshiped, but because it was the easiest, and therefore most rational, way of keeping the population he was trying to perfect in check.

Loke wanted him dead for several reasons. He foresaw the creation of a new good of order and lawfulness, which he could do without. He was also curious to see if an underpowered proxy of Odin (one of the players) would be able to deal with such a powerful mortal. This was but one of three tests the enherje had to complete in order for Loke to help him back to Earth where he could finish his quest for the Allfather.

I have no idea if the Kryptonian gods would see him posing as a god, his totalitarian mindset and his acts of mass murder and oppression as something that disqualifies him from membership in their ranks or not. I´m reading everything I can get hold of on them as fast as I can, but it´s hard to say. I´m leaning towards them being ok with it. He tried to create order out of chaos much the same way as Rao. In a brutal way, for sure, but the Rao ordained relationship between the builder Vohc and the destroyer Flamebird, was also a rather terrible and ruthless way of achieving perfection: https://dc.fandom.com/wiki/Vohc_(New_Earth)

The fact that he did not worship them when he was a mortal might? Or perhaps the fact that they (as far as I know) have never before included a new god in their ranks, maybe except for Cythonna (and that didn´t work out so well).

He already has a realm by the way, perfect in his eyes. I initially thought it would fit on Arcadia, but perhaps Mechanus is a more natural place for it?

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- He was not a believer
- He was not a believer himself. None of the Kryptonian gods have ever recieved a prayer from him when he was a mortal (they are quite aware of this, by the way).

Haaaa ha ha ha ha.

Okay, well, I guess the next question is whether the pantheon gains anything by accepting him, and gains more than whatever it costs them. How do they feel about gods with evil tendencies? For I would peg this guy as hovering between Lawful Evil and Lawful Neutral (Evil). Hard to ever call the eradication of a continent justifiable but let's say it was a proportionate response in self-defense; there's still the eugenics culling and the lying.

I read your link on Vohc and you're right, Rao definitely strikes me as the typical sort of neutral overpower that creates both good and evil entities, so this guy might be admissible if he's interested in joining. But again, what does the pantheon get out of it? Will he be willing to work as part of a group toward whatever goals they currently share? Will he be willing to abide by whatever ethical strictures they promulgate? Will his counsel and vote (or however they make decisions) be likely to lead toward better-informed, better-planned strategies in the future?

Very importantly, will his example be beneficial to their faithful? He sure seems like he might encourage ruthless tyrannies and colonizing dictators. He might even encourage nonbelief -- after all he was successful as a nonbeliever!

If I were the leader of a pantheon considering inviting this guy for whatever wisdom, viewpoint or abilities he could bring to the table, the first thing I would have my gods do is demonstrate to him very convincingly that we are completely capable of destroying him. That done, I would then lay out my proposed terms. Among other things, he would definitely need to communicate the story of a nonbeliever who came to the faith, by coming face to face with the gods if necessary. A dude like that might make a good model for scientist-warriors, or for eras in which the Kryptonians felt expansionist or in the mood for a holy war.

At any rate, I don't really need all these questions answered here. You say you're leaning towards letting him in, so that's fine. I'm just dropping these in to think about. Hope your players are enjoying it!

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Oh... just realized your

Oh... just realized your original question was where Rao's realm would be!

Hmm... the Kryptonians do strike me as pretty lawful in general, highly caste-divided, very rigid in their ways. Arcadia seems reasonable if Rao insists on being on the Upper side of the Great Ring; I can't think of any societies with an afterlife on Mechanus, except for a few specific deities. Of course, Rao might have his own domain on Mechanus if you want, and other deities in the pantheon have a larger space with most of the petitioners on Arcadia. Of course, if you're adding a new pantheon there's no reason that their afterlife wouldn't be anywhere Rao wanted, including Mechanus. It would add a new element to the plane.

Kind of funny that Acheron's cubes would have a strong resemblance to Bizarro World. The evil members of the pantheon might have their realms there, visible from Rao's realm at a great distance.